Bad attitude. It's not about what people can deal with. No one should have to deal with sexism.
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Bad attitude. It's not about what people can deal with. No one should have to deal with sexism.
No, but it's not something that's going to go away. So, considering the centuries of shit women had to put up with in the area of sexism and still put up with in the realm of sexism I think the occasional jab at men isn't really that bad and deserved.
So a woman may think a man "deserves" to be shot in the dick. That may help balance out the whole "women still don't get paid as much as men" thing.
So a woman may think a man "deserves" to be shot in the dick. That may help balance out the whole "women still don't get paid as much as men" thing.
macloudt said:
OK so maybe comparing it to forgetting to put away the milk was a bad comparison on my part.
Yes forgetting to take the bullets out of a gun has far more serious consequences, however, the mechanism of action is the same "an act of forgetting"
I could have said "forgetting to lock the door" which could lead to a maniac walking in and raping and murdering your family. Again, it's an act of forgetting.
Although forgetting to lock the door in a rough neighborhood would be different from sky diving and forgetting the parachute.
Well actually, going sky diving and forgetting to bring the Parachute, and then not get to go sky diving, is normal forgetfulness. Actually jumping out of the plain and then half way down saying "bloody hell! I knew I forgot something." would be a whole 'nother story.
The part where you say "This young man was incredibly stupid for doing what he did, and has no one to blame but himself for the consequences" I agree, he is the only person to blame for this.
The milk goes off? Geeez dude, where the hell do you live where milk freakin' explodes!? What the hell do you feed the cows over there, nitroglycerine?Pingfah said:
Well people forget to follow all procedures when handling power tools. There are numerous people that Jury rig their lawn mower because they can't afford a new one, and the jury rigging cancels a safety feature that ends up getting them hurt. There are people who forget to put the guard down on this or that type of saw, or turn their head to say something while sawing. Or Fix a heater/air conditioner and keep turning the power off, fix it, turn the power on to test it, shut it off, and continue this routine until they get electrocuted because they forgot to turn the power back off again after doing this for hours.
And while there is a certain truth in saying they are stupid for forgetting something, I don't think we should declare Darwin awards for "accidents"; I think we should declare them for people who are doing truly stupid things like the stunts you see on Jackass. If you're doing something as stupid as sledding off your roof, and landing on a bunch of boxes filled with wasps, while having a stick of lit dynamite in your pants, that there is Darwin material in my book.
macloudt said:
Do you have something against white people or males?
He wasn't familiar with the gun. The article said he had just gotten the gun. Also, if it is a semi automatic, removing the magazine might make think it's empty, but there is still that one round in the chamber, perhaps he was unaware of this.Methos said:
I don't think men should be expected to tolerate, any more than women, hate, sexism, abuse, discrimination, etc.Trekker4747 said:
We currently have this attitude that when a woman is assaulted by a man, or discriminated against, it's a crime, but when a man is assaulted, or discriminated against, he needs to quit crying and man up. It's these attitudes that have lead us men to having no child custody rights, and no prayer of winning in divorce court. There are so many disrespectful women in our society that call us pigs, call us ALL potential rapists, and other degrading things, simply because men won't stand up the way women do and say "that's rude and hurtful" or "That's sexism".
It's precisely why I have been turned down for many jobs in the past for being male and having long hair. I have been told "Well, you'd have to cut your hair, to be presentable enough to work here" at a corporation with plenty of long haired females. What do you think would happen if that boss said to a woman "well, the short tomboy hair has to go. If you're a woman, you need to have long hair to work here"?
But you're right, us men can deal with some sexism, we do it all the time. And every few years, the amount of sexism we have to deal with grows, and we just keep on "taking it like a man".
I don't know about you, but I am in favor of equal rights, and equal respect. I also think both men and women need to start treating each other a little better. We're difference sexes of the same species, not mortal enemies forced to live on the same planet.
That's an incredibly unhealthy attitude.
Trekker4747, this wall of text buds for you.
But of course when the family was hitting hard times, women did have to work in factories, during and after the industrial revolution. And they were paid about half as much as men, did about half the work of men, and only held the job long enough to make ends meet until the husband could get back on his feet.
There were a few cases of corporations wanting to give the women on the workforce a pay raise, and work them full time. The women actually voted it down for these reasons: 1. they didn't want to work full time. 2. they didn't want to be forced to do harder heavier work to earn that pay increase. 3. Their husbands worked at that factory too and the pay raise for them would come out of their husband's pockets, and force them to have to keep the job in order to keep the same level of income.
And then there were those sexist laws that forbid corporations from working women more than X amount of hours. Feminists eventually over turned that, in spite of the fact it was women labor unions that invented these laws to stop the exploitation of women to begin with, but the feminists don't like reminding us of that part.
And the poor women, they couldn't vote, on the technicality that they couldn’t see military service (a prerequisite at the time). But they eventually got the right to vote without having to enlist in the military... 10 years after men got the right to vote without having to enlist in the military (though we still had to register for the draft, and today sign up to selective service at 18, in order to earn our right to vote, unlike women which just automatically get the right to vote).
And they are so discriminated against in divorce court when they win 2 out of three times, and take everything that man had, and keep the children, because we live in a society that thinks only women can raise children. Yup, women sure do have to deal with a lot of sexism.
Of course it's true most of the money earned in this country, is earned by men. I wonder why that is? Well, even a cursory glance into this phenomenon shows that men make more money because they work more hours. Men get promoted because they have better attendance. Men seem to be full time workers who know they are going to be slaves to this corporation for the rest of their lives, while the women tend to be part time workers, part time parents, who eventually shack up with a guy who makes good money, and she quits her job to be a full time parent. I wonder if any of that has something to do with men making more yearly income?
And let's not forget that men might pay 79% of the income taxes, but corporate studies have shown that women do 80% of the consumer shopping. So I doubt it matters if men make all the money, it's the women who are doing all the spending. (these figures are from 4 to 6 years ago).
I'm not trying to say women had it made back in the olden days, and I am not trying to say that things balanced themselves out. I'm saying that feminist nonsense about women being slaves and property and could be beaten and raped when ever a male got bored, is a bunch of BS. Everything the feminists ram down our throats falls under one of two categories: 1. Half truth. 2. Completely fictitious.
Women's Liberation was a necessary thing back in its day. Men and women had different roles in society since the dawn of time. But after the industrial revolution, the very reasons for these differences were now being brought under question. Changes were being made, more women were working for corporations, and corporations were often being unfair to them, taking advantage of them. The role of man and woman would have to undergo some changes, and as it did, women began getting the short end of the stick, and women’s lib was born to correct this. However, what began as rights for women, became a sick man hating philosophy that not only blamed all males and painted an image of women as the eternal victim, but also rejected women behaving lady-like, and rejected men acting masculine. They began attacking the concept of gender, and it spiraled into the evil out of control monster it is today.
I wonder what would happen if some woman slipped a pill into your drink, and when you woke up she had stolen everything in your house, would you really sit there and say "well, women a hundred years ago couldn't be fire fighters, so I guess I kind of deserve this for being male."
Look man, even if you go by the feminist doctrine that women were abused and property, and enslaved and all that crap. It is insane to say that men today should be punished for the crimes of their fathers. Even if you truly believe women are the victims of discrimination in our modern society, taking it out on anyone with a penis, is not justice, and it balances nothing.
Kestra said:
Not with that attitude! Once upon a time a woman was told "We aren't hiring women" and they had to deal with this sexism. But they fought back, and won. But you don't think when a man is discriminated against he can fight back and win? Why can't we? Saying sexism can't go away is like saying racism is never going to go away, so why bother putting up anti discrimination laws to protect black people? after all, the racism will always be there.Trekker4747 said:
I know like being drafted and forced to die in wars against their will. Having to work in coal mines and die of black lung by age 30. Having to slave their lives away working in the blistering hot sun to feed their spouse and kids... oh wait, you said women. Never mind. But I'm sure women really had it bad back then, having to watch the kids, do the laundry, sweep the floor, and deal with dish pan hands from doing dishes while their husbands coughed and choked on coal dust all day.
But of course when the family was hitting hard times, women did have to work in factories, during and after the industrial revolution. And they were paid about half as much as men, did about half the work of men, and only held the job long enough to make ends meet until the husband could get back on his feet.
There were a few cases of corporations wanting to give the women on the workforce a pay raise, and work them full time. The women actually voted it down for these reasons: 1. they didn't want to work full time. 2. they didn't want to be forced to do harder heavier work to earn that pay increase. 3. Their husbands worked at that factory too and the pay raise for them would come out of their husband's pockets, and force them to have to keep the job in order to keep the same level of income.
And then there were those sexist laws that forbid corporations from working women more than X amount of hours. Feminists eventually over turned that, in spite of the fact it was women labor unions that invented these laws to stop the exploitation of women to begin with, but the feminists don't like reminding us of that part.
And the poor women, they couldn't vote, on the technicality that they couldn’t see military service (a prerequisite at the time). But they eventually got the right to vote without having to enlist in the military... 10 years after men got the right to vote without having to enlist in the military (though we still had to register for the draft, and today sign up to selective service at 18, in order to earn our right to vote, unlike women which just automatically get the right to vote).
Right like being forced to get equal pay per hour unless the corporation wants to be sued. Like getting to be police and fire fighters with equal pay, but not held to the same level of physical fitness as the men. And having men fired for sexual harassment, which is really interesting considering it's not a sexual advance that counts, it's an "unwanted" sexual advance. so when girls go to work and show off their cleavage and flirt, that's fine, and when the handsome boys with the six pack abs flirt back, that's fine, but when the guy with the beer belly flirts back, it's unwanted, and therefore harassment.
And they are so discriminated against in divorce court when they win 2 out of three times, and take everything that man had, and keep the children, because we live in a society that thinks only women can raise children. Yup, women sure do have to deal with a lot of sexism.
Of course it's true most of the money earned in this country, is earned by men. I wonder why that is? Well, even a cursory glance into this phenomenon shows that men make more money because they work more hours. Men get promoted because they have better attendance. Men seem to be full time workers who know they are going to be slaves to this corporation for the rest of their lives, while the women tend to be part time workers, part time parents, who eventually shack up with a guy who makes good money, and she quits her job to be a full time parent. I wonder if any of that has something to do with men making more yearly income?
And let's not forget that men might pay 79% of the income taxes, but corporate studies have shown that women do 80% of the consumer shopping. So I doubt it matters if men make all the money, it's the women who are doing all the spending. (these figures are from 4 to 6 years ago).
I'm not trying to say women had it made back in the olden days, and I am not trying to say that things balanced themselves out. I'm saying that feminist nonsense about women being slaves and property and could be beaten and raped when ever a male got bored, is a bunch of BS. Everything the feminists ram down our throats falls under one of two categories: 1. Half truth. 2. Completely fictitious.
Women's Liberation was a necessary thing back in its day. Men and women had different roles in society since the dawn of time. But after the industrial revolution, the very reasons for these differences were now being brought under question. Changes were being made, more women were working for corporations, and corporations were often being unfair to them, taking advantage of them. The role of man and woman would have to undergo some changes, and as it did, women began getting the short end of the stick, and women’s lib was born to correct this. However, what began as rights for women, became a sick man hating philosophy that not only blamed all males and painted an image of women as the eternal victim, but also rejected women behaving lady-like, and rejected men acting masculine. They began attacking the concept of gender, and it spiraled into the evil out of control monster it is today.
A jab at a guy is one thing. Even a sexist jab at stereotypical behavior, is one thing. Laughing at men getting seriously injured, having their dicks chopped off, shot off, is another. As for deserved, I don't know about that one. I mean, that's like saying "a male is a male is a male. they're all the same. If one man rapes you, all men are rapists. If you can't find the one who did it, just lock up some random man, they're all the same, they're all guilty, they all deserve it".
Right... again, one man commits rape, another man, any man, should have his penis cut off. By that logic, if one black man robs a liquor store, all blacks deserve to go to jail for it.
Right... because emasculation makes for equal pay. I mean, if mom isn't making enough money to pay the rent, suddenly, a man getting his wiener taken off means she can pay the rent? because every time a man gets his penis chopped off, women world wide get pay raises.
I wonder what would happen if some woman slipped a pill into your drink, and when you woke up she had stolen everything in your house, would you really sit there and say "well, women a hundred years ago couldn't be fire fighters, so I guess I kind of deserve this for being male."
Look man, even if you go by the feminist doctrine that women were abused and property, and enslaved and all that crap. It is insane to say that men today should be punished for the crimes of their fathers. Even if you truly believe women are the victims of discrimination in our modern society, taking it out on anyone with a penis, is not justice, and it balances nothing.
Oh I guess I could have just said that and saved the wall of text for later.sidious618 said:
Sexism is wrong, Trekker.
You wouldn't get that because you're sort of an asexual eunuch, and people aren't really sexist towards asexual eunuchs, but it can be a very damaging thing.
Be sensitive, man.
I'm glad you didn't because I don't particularly want to be associated with what you just said either.
Um, no, a man not getting paid as much as his female equivalents would balance that out.
Getting shot in the dick would only equate to getting shot in the cunt - and that'd be a harder target to hit anyway.
I'm not saying sexism is something we should have or deal with and it's absolutely something we should rid ourselves of. But it's not going to happen. It'll always exist.
And in my experience most of that sexism is directed towards women. So I see no harm in the occasional jab at men.
All of which occurred because men were mostly running the country and said, "This is man's work! Women stay home and raise the kids and provide a meal for the man!"
A male-dominated society opted to draft people into wars, or to work in dangerous and unhealthy conditions. Those same men also created a society where it was unacceptable for a woman to vote, let alone hold a job. It was the mentality of the time that a job was "no place for a woman."
So, the occasional woman makes a joke about a man getting shot in the balls. Big deal. I can't say that bothers me nearly as much as a panel of old white men trying to make medical decisions for every woman in the country by saying she has no right to control what happens to her own body.
And in my experience most of that sexism is directed towards women. So I see no harm in the occasional jab at men.
All of which occurred because men were mostly running the country and said, "This is man's work! Women stay home and raise the kids and provide a meal for the man!"
A male-dominated society opted to draft people into wars, or to work in dangerous and unhealthy conditions. Those same men also created a society where it was unacceptable for a woman to vote, let alone hold a job. It was the mentality of the time that a job was "no place for a woman."
So, the occasional woman makes a joke about a man getting shot in the balls. Big deal. I can't say that bothers me nearly as much as a panel of old white men trying to make medical decisions for every woman in the country by saying she has no right to control what happens to her own body.
Nah, not sexist. Just the way people react to stuff
WHOOSH!
whoosh means yes?macloudt said:
Trekker4747 said:
you really believe that? You really believe that women were both willing and able to work on the railroad, work as carpenters, work in the coal mines, but men oppressed them out of a smug sense of superiority?
It wasn't that it was "unexceptable" to vote" it was that you had to own land, or participated in military service. Husbands paid for the land, not the wives, and women were not allowed to participate in military service, thus were unable. Men who didn't own land, and never joined the military, couldn't vote either. Then there were blacks, and native Americans who got the right to vote with this or that technicality and had the this and that technicality eliminated. The so-called "right" to vote has undergone a lot of changes in America. let's not over simplify it to "everyone except women could vote under any circumstance, up until 1920 when women could vote too".Trekker4747 said:
As for not allowed to work, assuming we're talking colonial to Victorian era America, that's nonsense. Women worked in shops, were shop keepers, teachers, maids, bar maids, show girls, singers and dancers, writers, baby sitters, tooters, nurses, clothing designers and much more. Though jobs like Lawyer, Doctor, soldier, police, firefighter, were off limits. Jobs like railroad worker, coal miner, carpenter, were probably the highest paying jobs a non college graduate could get. Women were physically unable and unwilling to do those jobs.
The lack of female workers has more to do with "why should I work, it's what I got a husband for" than discrimination. Although discrimination did exist, I am not denying that part. To this day you don't see many female coal workers. However, to be fair, during the Victorian era, there were some female coal workers, it was just rare.
What panel are you talking about?Trekker4747 said:
You do realize these eeevil white men you hate so much have passed a federal law making it legal in all states to have an abortion since 1973 (roe vs wade). And to try to make the abortion issue all about a woman's right to her own body, is only half the argument; the rights of the unborn child in her body would be the other half of the argument. It's always been about the right of a mother vs the right of the unborn baby, so let's not turn that into a one sided argument about a woman's right to her body, as if we are talking about their right to shave their head or get their nipple pierced.
On topic of the gun. I still think it's misandry to find humor in a male getting his penis and or testicles torn off.
In Florida, (where this took place) you may own a hand gun and ammunition at age 18, you may not purchase a gun, or ammunition (accept at a shooting range) unless you are 21.
So this kid bought the gun illegally. Who knows,if he bought it legally he may have received instructions from a professional on proper gun handling.
What do you guys think about the fact the cops used this as an excuse to raid his home and arrest the home owner for possession of marijuana?
The endless debates in this country about abortion including the official GOP stance that abortion is wrong in all cases and the discussions this past year on whether or not the "morning after pill" should be covered by insurance.
From http://www.lifenews.com/2011/09/15/cnn-poll-62-want-all-or-most-abortions-made-illegal/
"Breaking down those numbers further, Gallup finds that pro-life view as seen across the board — with 60 percent of women and 61 percent of men saying they want all or almost all abortions illegal. Women actually take a stronger pro-life view than men with 24 percent of American women wanting all abortions made illegal and 36 percent wanting almost all illegal, compared with 19 percent of men who want to ban all abortions and 42 percent of men who want to prohibit almost all."
But in your mind only men want to illegalize abortion. Because evil males have a need to control women. Interesting.
And while I can't find a racial abortion advocacy statistics, I'm willing to bet that the amount of blacks, whites, Hispanics, and Asians, that want to illegalize abortion are pretty even matched.
Where I see a rainbow of diversity in the political decisions you see only old white men. Interesting.
Probably because the political leaders debating these issues -and who are the ones who get to make the laws in this country- are largely white men. On the issue if RU-486 should be covered in student health benefits (the "morning after pill" along with other birth control pills which has other medical benefits other than preventing pregnancy) a young female lawyer was denied the right to speak on the issue and the panel consisted of only old white men debating the issue.
First, I must ask, who's fault is that US government is made up of mostly old white men? Considering women out number men.
Next, you assume that a male politician is looking out for males, a white politician looks out for whites, a gay politician looks out for gays, and a black politician would look out for blacks, and a female politician would look out for women. This is completely false. In a democracy, politicians cater to their target demographic of voters. As I pointed out, there are as many women against abortion as there are men. Furthermore, all women's rights and minority rights, were signed into action by a white male government. More proof that the race and sex of a politician has no baring on their decisions in a democracy.
Do you honestly think abortion rights would increase with the presence of less white men in government? Because in all countries where abortion is illegal, these countries, with the exception of Ireland, is made up of a mostly non-white government.
Perhaps your point was, in regards to abortion, males in government. Unfortunately males make up the majority of all governments. However, abortion is legal in most parts of the world. Only by showing me an inconsistency in abortion rights in male dominated governments compared to female dominated governments, would you have an argument.
Oh and hears something else to consider, women have more rights in white governed countries than in non-white governed countries. So much for how evil whitey is.
Next point "RU-486" is not a "morning after pill" it is an abortion pill, just for the record.
"a young female lawyer was denied the right to speak on the issue"
On what grounds? You seriously need to link me to something if you expect me to believe she was dismissed for having a vagina.
I'm pretty sure she was dismissed on grounds not associated with her sex. And I seriously doubt that she was dismissed because of some evil male conspiracy to take away women's rights to receive a specific abortion pill on the student health benefits budget.
If you believe in that conspiracy, all I can say is, women are every bit as much opposed to abortion as men, so a panel of women would probably have dismissed her too.
I believe you are unfairly judging and demonizing males and whites, and I don't know why.
And to re-iterate an earlier point. sexist attitudes toward men does not make up for sexist attitudes towards women now or then.
Next, you assume that a male politician is looking out for males, a white politician looks out for whites, a gay politician looks out for gays, and a black politician would look out for blacks, and a female politician would look out for women. This is completely false. In a democracy, politicians cater to their target demographic of voters. As I pointed out, there are as many women against abortion as there are men. Furthermore, all women's rights and minority rights, were signed into action by a white male government. More proof that the race and sex of a politician has no baring on their decisions in a democracy.
Do you honestly think abortion rights would increase with the presence of less white men in government? Because in all countries where abortion is illegal, these countries, with the exception of Ireland, is made up of a mostly non-white government.
Perhaps your point was, in regards to abortion, males in government. Unfortunately males make up the majority of all governments. However, abortion is legal in most parts of the world. Only by showing me an inconsistency in abortion rights in male dominated governments compared to female dominated governments, would you have an argument.
Oh and hears something else to consider, women have more rights in white governed countries than in non-white governed countries. So much for how evil whitey is.
Next point "RU-486" is not a "morning after pill" it is an abortion pill, just for the record.
"a young female lawyer was denied the right to speak on the issue"
On what grounds? You seriously need to link me to something if you expect me to believe she was dismissed for having a vagina.
I'm pretty sure she was dismissed on grounds not associated with her sex. And I seriously doubt that she was dismissed because of some evil male conspiracy to take away women's rights to receive a specific abortion pill on the student health benefits budget.
If you believe in that conspiracy, all I can say is, women are every bit as much opposed to abortion as men, so a panel of women would probably have dismissed her too.
I believe you are unfairly judging and demonizing males and whites, and I don't know why.
And to re-iterate an earlier point. sexist attitudes toward men does not make up for sexist attitudes towards women now or then.
Oh, lighten up a little. Testicles are funny. Being shot in the testicles is funny -- as long as it happens to someone else.
The joy of schadenfreude.
