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%18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing facts

Re: %18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing fac

Under Muslim law Obama is definitely a Muslim, since his father was a Muslim. And since Obama is a Muslim under Muslim law, he must observe Muslim law and recognize his Muslimity, since he's under Muslim law because he's a Muslim, and he's a Muslim because he's under Muslim law which says he's a Muslim because his father was.
In case nobody told you, the US is not governed by "Muslim" law. [the proper term being Islamic law]. So all of this you bring up is utterly meaningless. The only person who determines what religion he is, is him nobody else.
 
Re: %18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing fac

Under Muslim law Obama is definitely a Muslim, since his father was a Muslim. And since Obama is a Muslim under Muslim law, he must observe Muslim law and recognize his Muslimity, since he's under Muslim law because he's a Muslim, and he's a Muslim because he's under Muslim law which says he's a Muslim because his father was.
The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle; the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true!

The flagon with the dragon!
 
Re: %18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing fac

Under Muslim law Obama is definitely a Muslim, since his father was a Muslim. And since Obama is a Muslim under Muslim law, he must observe Muslim law and recognize his Muslimity, since he's under Muslim law because he's a Muslim, and he's a Muslim because he's under Muslim law which says he's a Muslim because his father was.
In case nobody told you, the US is not governed by "Muslim" law. [the proper term being Islamic law]. So all of this you bring up is utterly meaningless. The only person who determines what religion he is, is him nobody else.

Please, don't feed the gturner. You'll only encourage him.
 
Re: %18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing fac

Under Muslim law Obama is definitely a Muslim, since his father was a Muslim. And since Obama is a Muslim under Muslim law, he must observe Muslim law and recognize his Muslimity, since he's under Muslim law because he's a Muslim, and he's a Muslim because he's under Muslim law which says he's a Muslim because his father was.

<return to beginning of sentence and repeat. Also try it backwards>

Anyway, if he's not a Muslim, why does he celebrate Ramadan with an Iftar dinner?

On Whitehouse.gov - President Obama Celebrates Ramadan White House Iftar Dinner.

Celebrating Ramadam is something Muslims due, mainly because they're Muslims. Perhaps a small percentage of people celebrate Ramadan because they like fasting, but those are weirdos, and Obama doesn't seem to like fasting. In fact, he seems to like eating greasy burgers at every opportunity. So this suggests that Obama is a practicing fasting Muslim, still obeying Muslim law because Muslim law says he's a Muslim.
Didn't Bush do it too?
 
Re: %18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing fac

%21 believe there are real sorcerors, conjurers, and warlocks out there
%20 believe that the sun revolves around the Earth

I'm a sorceror, and Earth revolves around me.
 
Re: %18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing fac

To not be a Muslim, Obama sure brags on it and defends it a lot. This is the first time in my lifetime I can remember any president supporting any one religion. I don't think it is the place of any president to stand of for the building of any mosque, synagogue,church,etc. of any religion. The founding fathers intended for our government to be independent of religions and this includes Islam as well. I think people are getting pretty sick of allowances being made for one particular religion.
 
Re: %18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing fac

To not be a Muslim, Obama sure brags on it and defends it a lot. This is the first time in my lifetime I can remember any president supporting any one religion. I don't think it is the place of any president to stand of for the building of any mosque, synagogue,church,etc. of any religion. The founding fathers intended for our government to be independent of religions and this includes Islam as well. I think people are getting pretty sick of allowances being made for one particular religion.
What allowances are being made for Islam that are not being given to other religions as well? All Obama has done so far in this case is point out the obvious fact that the constitution protects their right to worship.
 
Re: %18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing fac

In case nobody told you, the US is not governed by "Muslim" law. [the proper term being Islamic law]. So all of this you bring up is utterly meaningless. The only person who determines what religion he is, is him nobody else.

Incorrect. Being a Muslim, his status is determined under Allah's law, which supercedes both man's law and Obama's opinion. Allah knows that Obama is a Muslim (which Allah would know because Obama was born Muslim under Muslim law) so even if every single person in the entire world thought Obama was not Muslim, they would all be wrong.

That's the great thing about Islamic law. It's based on the idea that if you disagree with any aspect of it, you're wrong because you're disagreeing with God - who is always right because he's like a bajillion times smarter than you.

Even if Obama renounces Islam and all its teachings, it would just make him a Muslim apostate, which is of course just a subcategory of Muslim.

As to the US not being governed by Islamic law, they regard our law as invalid because man-made law cannot supercede God's law, the point being that Islamic law trumps our Constitution, etc.

Perhaps Islam is so stubbornly persistant because it doesn't have a sign marked "exit", like a traffic circle that doesn't go anywhere.
 
Re: %18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing fac

To not be a Muslim, Obama sure brags on it and defends it a lot. This is the first time in my lifetime I can remember any president supporting any one religion. I don't think it is the place of any president to stand of for the building of any mosque, synagogue,church,etc. of any religion. The founding fathers intended for our government to be independent of religions and this includes Islam as well. I think people are getting pretty sick of allowances being made for one particular religion.

What? This post makes no sense to me.
 
Re: %18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing fac

What allowances are being made for Islam that are not being given to other religions as well? All Obama has done so far in this case is point out the obvious fact that the constitution protects their right to worship.

Well, just today he had our UN delegation submit a report asking Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for help in addressing our human rights failures, such as our society's discrimination against gays and lesbians.

I'm sure any problems confronting American gays can be overcome with a little more Islamic fundamentalist input from the Saudi Wahabists. :rolleyes:

Washington Post article
 
Re: %18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing fac

I read a fascinating poll over the weekend: 100% of Presidents named Obama think that President Obama is not a Muslim, but a Christian.

The sample size was only 1, and so the margin of error is above the usual 3%, but the pollsters says that this is because they had tremendous difficulty finding any other Presidents with that name.
 
Re: %18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing fac

it said that the U.S. welcomed "observations and recommendations" from council members "that can help us on that road to a more perfect union."
Admitting you have flaws in your own country--and lord knows we do--- is not the same thing as saying you want to be like other countries with outrageous human rights abuses.

I read the article you linked and your statement seems to make no sense whatsoever.

And what any of that has to do with some nitwits believing Obama is a Muslim (when they earlier criticized his Baptist minister), I have no idea.
 
Re: %18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing fac

Under Muslim law Obama is definitely a Muslim, since his father was a Muslim. And since Obama is a Muslim under Muslim law, he must observe Muslim law and recognize his Muslimity, since he's under Muslim law because he's a Muslim, and he's a Muslim because he's under Muslim law which says he's a Muslim because his father was.

<return to beginning of sentence and repeat. Also try it backwards>

Anyway, if he's not a Muslim, why does he celebrate Ramadan with an Iftar dinner?

On Whitehouse.gov - President Obama Celebrates Ramadan White House Iftar Dinner.

Celebrating Ramadam is something Muslims due, mainly because they're Muslims. Perhaps a small percentage of people celebrate Ramadan because they like fasting, but those are weirdos, and Obama doesn't seem to like fasting. In fact, he seems to like eating greasy burgers at every opportunity. So this suggests that Obama is a practicing fasting Muslim, still obeying Muslim law because Muslim law says he's a Muslim.
Didn't Bush do it too?
President Obama also hosts Passover Seders.
 
Re: %18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing fac

To not be a Muslim, Obama sure brags on it and defends it a lot. This is the first time in my lifetime I can remember any president supporting any one religion. I don't think it is the place of any president to stand of for the building of any mosque, synagogue,church,etc. of any religion. The founding fathers intended for our government to be independent of religions and this includes Islam as well. I think people are getting pretty sick of allowances being made for one particular religion.

Simply put; you are lying.
 
Re: %18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing fac

What allowances are being made for Islam that are not being given to other religions as well? All Obama has done so far in this case is point out the obvious fact that the constitution protects their right to worship.

Well, just today he had our UN delegation submit a report asking Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for help in addressing our human rights failures, such as our society's discrimination against gays and lesbians.

I'm sure any problems confronting American gays can be overcome with a little more Islamic fundamentalist input from the Saudi Wahabists. :rolleyes:

Washington Post article

Yeah, it's almost as ridiculous as the notion that others should pay heed to anything the United States says about nuclear weapons.
 
Re: %18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing fac

I read a fascinating poll over the weekend: 100% of Presidents named Obama think that President Obama is not a Muslim, but a Christian.

He's wrong about everything else, so it wouldn't surprise me that he's wrong about being Muslim, too.
 
Re: %18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing fac

President Obama also hosts Passover Seders.

Yes, but have you seen the guests he invites? At the last one Helen Thomas said the Jews should "get the hell out of Palestine" and "go home to Germany and Poland." Obama probably invites a pastor from the World Church of the Creator to host it.
 
Re: %18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing fac

The whole Prez is a Muslim thing doesn't surprise me at all given how it pretty much comes up in daily conversation. It's one of those "tell a lie enough times and it becomes the truth" things.

Though the whole Amazon River thing makes me want to kill myself. Though I find it really hard to believe. But I would really like to know who they sampled for the data, like how many of them were college educated. I can't image one in three grads don't know where the fucking Amazon is.

Also, how do they define ESP and equate it to "paranormal?" Do the mean full-on Gary Mitchell? Because there is actual scientific study and application of it, but it's people who have sudden spurts of intuition (like knowing what the next song on the radio is going to be), being able to accurately tell time within a couple of minutes without having seen a clock all day, that sort of thing.
 
Re: %18 of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and other disturbing fac

In case nobody told you, the US is not governed by "Muslim" law. [the proper term being Islamic law]. So all of this you bring up is utterly meaningless. The only person who determines what religion he is, is him nobody else.

Incorrect. Being a Muslim, his status is determined under Allah's law, which supercedes both man's law and Obama's opinion. Allah knows that Obama is a Muslim (which Allah would know because Obama was born Muslim under Muslim law) so even if every single person in the entire world thought Obama was not Muslim, they would all be wrong.

That's the great thing about Islamic law. It's based on the idea that if you disagree with any aspect of it, you're wrong because you're disagreeing with God - who is always right because he's like a bajillion times smarter than you.

Even if Obama renounces Islam and all its teachings, it would just make him a Muslim apostate, which is of course just a subcategory of Muslim.

As to the US not being governed by Islamic law, they regard our law as invalid because man-made law cannot supercede God's law, the point being that Islamic law trumps our Constitution, etc.

Perhaps Islam is so stubbornly persistant because it doesn't have a sign marked "exit", like a traffic circle that doesn't go anywhere.

Sounds like being baptized into the Catholic Church, I believe the position of The Vatican is that you remain Catholic until your bishop formally releases you
 
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