Hey, I'm happy about this. Definitly get more out of your money when the movie is longer. And I'm going to see this on the IMAX screen which costs more then a regular tickets price.
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I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for numering that the correct way.
Assuming that was directed to my antecedent post - thanks for the sarcasm, always appreciated.
Neither of us have seen this film yet, so neither of us can make any claims reference its overall quality and how it may relate to length. The positive buzz is all good though, and I'm feeling extremely postive about it also.
I'm sorry, I don't agree with your assertion that longer is necessarily better for "good" movies.
Cheers!
While I'm not sure that you get more for your money with a longer movie, I'm gonna attempt to see it in IMAX on opening day too. But there's only one IMAX theatre in Toronto and they may be tough tickets to get. Why does IMAX cost THAT much more, anyway? I'm no expert but I think the print is a little more tricky to construct, but it's surely not 50-75% more tricky, is it?
At the Regal Cinema in Albany, NY the cost for a regular non matinee ticket is $10.25 and the cost for an IMAX ticket is $14.00 (Atleast according to there website).
Assuming that was directed to my antecedent post - thanks for the sarcasm, always appreciated.
Neither of us have seen this film yet, so neither of us can make any claims reference its overall quality and how it may relate to length. The positive buzz is all good though, and I'm feeling extremely postive about it also.
I'm sorry, I don't agree with your assertion that longer is necessarily better for "good" movies.
Cheers!
I don't make that accertation---but if putting words in people's posts makes you feel smart----great.
I have said that there is nothing wrong with people wanting a long movie and of course they want it to be good as well.
I am so tired of this, "a movie should be as long as it needs to be" drivel.
Duh. Nobody is for a movie to be long for the sake of being long. What a lot of folks want is a long quality, epic Trek movie. There is nothing wrong with that, but folks just want to keep claiming others just want 'long movies'
I don't want a long bad or mediocre movie--I want epic stories and that usually but not always requires some length.
Some folks are just so tied to their dogma that they can't quit.
I made the joking statement that some folks want the movie to be cut down just to prove their point, but it seems to be actually true in some cases.
I'm happy that we'll be (likely) getting a quality epic, fairly long trek movie.
Sorry if that annoys some of you.(not referring to anyone in particular)
Wow. How'd those earlier Trek movies wind up so short without Berman to "mandate" it?
The two shortest TOS movies were short because the scripts were rushed and then the weaker material had to be cut.
TSFS was rushed because they so wanted to get the audience back to see Spock revived and Shatner had an opening with TJ Hooker etc.
Large chunks were cut out of TSFS from David/Saavik because they realized 'stoic Saavik' sucked and David only needed to be a sacrificial lamb so why waste time on him. So a script that was for a two hour+ movie got chopped to 1 hour 45 min.
TFF script was so weak and filled with usless 'comic' padding that it too, had to be cut and probably should have been cut more.
TVH had the least cut from ANY Trek movie because the script was solid despite some folks not being keen on a fairly comedic trek movie. It also had virtually nothing that didn't include our 7 regulars.
TWOK & TUC were quality scripts but had lots of stuff concerning non-regular characters that Paramount thought should be cut------
From TWOK: Terrell & Khan, David & Carol & Saavik & Preston etc
From TUC: Martia, Fed pres & Sarek, Valeris, Chang at the trial etc
So you need a good script to get a good long movie and you need the studio to allow it to unfold, rather than just pushing for a fast pace.
Ironically, TMP didn't have the studio telling them to cut it down because of the time factor so we got the longest movie that should probably have been cut.
TSFS was rushed because they so wanted to get the audience back to see Spock revived and Shatner had an opening with TJ Hooker etc.
Large chunks were cut out of TSFS from David/Saavik because they realized 'stoic Saavik' sucked and David only needed to be a sacrificial lamb so why waste time on him. So a script that was for a two hour+ movie got chopped to 1 hour 45 min.
TFF script was so weak and filled with usless 'comic' padding that it too, had to be cut and probably should have been cut more.
TVH had the least cut from ANY Trek movie because the script was solid despite some folks not being keen on a fairly comedic trek movie. It also had virtually nothing that didn't include our 7 regulars.
TWOK & TUC were quality scripts but had lots of stuff concerning non-regular characters that Paramount thought should be cut------
From TWOK: Terrell & Khan, David & Carol & Saavik & Preston etc
From TUC: Martia, Fed pres & Sarek, Valeris, Chang at the trial etc
So you need a good script to get a good long movie and you need the studio to allow it to unfold, rather than just pushing for a fast pace.
Ironically, TMP didn't have the studio telling them to cut it down because of the time factor so we got the longest movie that should probably have been cut.
story & 'credits' time for the TOS movies (theatrical versions)
TWOK..104:34--story 8:18 credits
TSFS.. .94:11--------10:52
TVH....111:46--------6:57
TFF.....97:22---------9:01
TUC....100:34--------9:14
Just my opinion but TWOK & TUC needed more room to breathe & Meyer had 3 1/2 minutes cut from his preferred versions--which he restored for TV/video.
So in my opinion 3 good scripts--2 cut more than they should 2 weak scripts with lots cut.
If Abrams cut a lot it's likely because he didn't want a 2 1/2 hour monster but wanted it to move fast. I'd bet there's not too much cut though.
TWOK..104:34--story 8:18 credits
TSFS.. .94:11--------10:52
TVH....111:46--------6:57
TFF.....97:22---------9:01
TUC....100:34--------9:14
Just my opinion but TWOK & TUC needed more room to breathe & Meyer had 3 1/2 minutes cut from his preferred versions--which he restored for TV/video.
So in my opinion 3 good scripts--2 cut more than they should 2 weak scripts with lots cut.
If Abrams cut a lot it's likely because he didn't want a 2 1/2 hour monster but wanted it to move fast. I'd bet there's not too much cut though.
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Careful, it might be too long for the ADHD types Abrams is shooting for and they'll lose interest.
LOL this is a good point and sadly all too true.
^^But the pace is said to be fast so i think he took into account the ADHD crowd as well.
It's funny all the people who always said the old movies shouldn't be slowed down with too much 'unneccessary' material--that Meyer in particular wanted left in--will now say "it's moving too fast where's the character development?"
It's funny all the people who always said the old movies shouldn't be slowed down with too much 'unneccessary' material--that Meyer in particular wanted left in--will now say "it's moving too fast where's the character development?"
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