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11010010 Evactuation Scene

By the way, does "11001001" actually mean anything in binary?

Converted to decimal it's "301."

I'm sure when translated into ASCII it translates to some specific character. But, really, it "doesn't mean anything" other than when you break the numbers up into groups of two (11 00 10 01) it's all of the possible two-digit combinations there can be in binary as well as being the "names" of the four Binars we meet in the episode. (Though, presumably, everyone on their planet has these names and all work in groups of four...?)
 
Well it makes SOME sense, since there's no real "polite" gender-neutral pronouns he could use.

I realize that the show was made in 1987, but surely in the show's universe, by 2364 there would've been some gender-neutral pronouns in use, since Starfleet's been encountering gender-neutral species for 200 years. (Think of the Horta---the "Mother" name is sort of stuck with because of the situation, but there was never any evidence that that there were male/female Horta's).
 
Well it makes SOME sense, since there's no real "polite" gender-neutral pronouns he could use.

I realize that the show was made in 1987, but surely in the show's universe, by 2364 there would've been some gender-neutral pronouns in use, since Starfleet's been encountering gender-neutral species for 200 years. (Think of the Horta---the "Mother" name is sort of stuck with because of the situation, but there was never any evidence that that there were male/female Horta's).

There probably would be but in order for that to happen the writers of the show would have to literally invent a brand new word. (And not in the way they normally do by mashing two existing words together for technobabble.) "He" in many cases, even in our own society despite opposition to it, is about as "gender-neutral" as it gets.

In that episode where Riker crushes on someone from an androgynous race Riker also seems to pretty much imply no gender-neutral pronoun exists in Federation Standard (English) and even the alien "chick" said "her" race had a word but there was no equivalent in English. (And would therefore possibly be beyond the UT's capacity to translate.)
 
He keeps referring to them with the words "boys" and "gentlemen".
He says "boys" once (and may be referring to his holo-band boys) and "gentlemen" once. "Keeping" seems an excessive expression for that...

Besides, he's holodecking already. While the patrons of the jazz bar turn a blind eye on Riker's funny dress and the little grey men, it just wouldn't do for Riker to use gender-neutral words in the environment, any more than it would be appropriate for him to discuss his work on the starship with his drummer.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I also think it's funny when everyone's off the ship, containment is restored, and Quinteros basically tells the crew, "there's nothing you can do" as the ship backs out of the spacedock. There had to be SOMETHING they could do.
 
I also think it's funny when everyone's off the ship, containment is restored, and Quinteros basically tells the crew, "there's nothing you can do" as the ship backs out of the spacedock. There had to be SOMETHING they could do.
Yeah, that scene was badly cut. When Quinteros said the ship was clear we should have seen it outside the space dock and not still inside the bay doors.

The other thing I found completely unbellievable was getting a thousand people off-ship within four minutes. I just don't buy it unless practically everyone were instantly beamed off.
 
Thy were docked at a starbase, most people were probably already off the ship.
It was their first visit to an official port since the start of the voyage and the first shore leave since the Edo I think.
Would you have waited for an evacuation to leave the ship?
 
Thy were docked at a starbase, most people were probably already off the ship.
It was their first visit to an official port since the start of the voyage and the first shore leave since the Edo I think.
Would you have waited for an evacuation to leave the ship?
I thought of that, but it still struck me as a bit hard to believe.
 
Not too mention that there was no one in engineering, not even Starbase tech's.

But besides Quinteros' line about nothing can be done being edited badly, I think the beginning when Quinteros and company board the ship was cut backwards. I just don't see them being in a cross way heading to the Enterprise's airlock and then cutting to them walking out of the Starbase works.
 
They really should just have had a line in there somewhere about the Enterprise putting up the shields preventing beaming. Because a LOT of time passes between "You can't [beam over] your ship is almost clear!" and when the Enterprise actually jumps to warp.
 
What's more funny, in the evac scene in the transporter line, with the slight pushing, what do we see, but that their is an open spot on teh transporter.

You have a line waiting to beam off, and what th hell, lets just beam five instead of six.

Where's O'Brien when you need him to show them how to actually beam six people.
 
The math on the evacuation should be doable. Twenty transporters in use, one is seen beaming a batch of people in about 15 seconds, let's give the saucer ten of the transporters (as the computer sends people from Deck 17 on to transporters from #11 on), have a look at the dimensions and see that people could rather leisurely walk from anywhere in the saucer to queue up on those transporters when the first batches were being processed (and definitely within the four minutes allocated). Everybody is disciplined enough not to bring any luggage of any sort (although apparently one brings his or her invisible friend). So basically we could divide a thousand people with 10 and get a total processing time of twenty-five minutes.

We can then start reducing the number - some people in the secondary hull in the other 8 transporters, some walking out through the gangway (at a witnessed rate of one per second, this single route should cover 250 people already), some already offboard (I mean, three of our seven main heroes were). Some 500 people to evacuate using all the transporters evenly (plus a couple of hundred to evacuate using the gangway) would still give an evac time of six or seven minutes.

So, do we have to believe in just 300 people (plus the gangway-using 200-300) being aboard to get it down to four minutes? Well, we can assume that it takes less than 15 seconds to beam out a batch of people if they aren't slowly moving children (or from one of the very first batches, which are less time-critical as most of the queues are yet to form). We also know the top decks will evacuate via cargo transporters, which may be assumed to handle a larger number of people at a time. So we don't have to assume quite as low numbers as that.

Then there's also site-to-site, plus the use of the starbase transporters, although both would require some aiming, and the PA does not tell anybody to prepare for this sort of processing.

In the end, though, the math does support getting more than half the ship's complement offboard in less than four minutes.

besides Quinteros' line about nothing can be done being edited badly
Umm, what line? He's just saying there's no time to beam back since the ship is going to blow (which is true as far as he knows), then finding out the explosion appears to have been mysteriously delayed (which baffles him, but doesn't justify him sounding an "all clear"). Sure, there's a lot of things that could be done - but as far as he can tell, none are safe, and he doesn't even need to say "nothing can be done". Which may explain why he never says such a thing...

They really should just have had a line in there somewhere about the Enterprise putting up the shields preventing beaming.
But the core breach already prevented beaming anybody aboard. And the ambiguous information about the breach perhaps not going to happen was not something they could act upon.

The "shields are up" line would only prevent the beaming out of Picard and Riker. But they couldn't do that anyway, because they didn't know where Picard and Riker were, as the Bynars had hidden them from the computers somehow. And they were far from certain that Picard and Riker were even onboard.

I think the beginning when Quinteros and company board the ship was cut backwards.
True enough. I guess there was no way to construct a convincing forced-perspective set of the entire long gangway arm, so they wanted a door at both ends of a shorter section of it in order to get two angles on the arriving team. They did one door with NCC-1701-D signage, and another with starbase signage (using much the same elements). And that was fine and well: the shape of the gangway arm certainly caters for that starbase-side doorway, which would lie between the angular and circular parts of the arm. Indeed, the gangway exterior was no doubt modeled in synch with the creation of the set.

But they cut the coming-towards-camera angle in the wrong place, after the receding-from-camera angle - which I guess makes dramatic sense as it "gradually" reveals the identity of the arrivals. Alas, it completely ruins the illusion of the set itself, because the face angle shows them going through a door they must already have cleared before the neck angle. Understandable but lamentable.

I guess we could argue they reached the E-D doorbell and then Quinteros went all "Dang, I forgot to check my hair - let's go back to the previous junction where there's a mirror!" so that they had to do it all over again.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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In the original concept art, the Enterprise was going to dock outside Spacedock (what with the E-D being so massive and all), so this would have facilitated a much faster exit for the big ship, and Quinteros' line would make a lot more sense. As it stands, it seems he couldn't even keep the space doors closed on his own starbase!

I think the beginning when Quinteros and company board the ship was cut backwards.

Not to mention the very long corridor on the other side of the airlock - that's supposed to be in the dorsal "neck" of the enterprise, but there's some very odd geography involved!
 
I wondered why there needed to be such a complicated airlock system. When the Binars and the Station Commander first come through I could see the need for it, but when people are evacuating it'd seem to be the various sets of doors between the ship corridor and the station corridor could just be wide-open. Certainly in the 24c with forcefield technology a continuity of pressure and atmosphere could be maintained without the need for airlocks.
 
Do we see the physical doors hindering the movement of the evacuees? One set of doors on the Enterprise side appears to close in between groups of them, but nobody is left waiting because of that. On the other hand, those doors won't help much against loss of air alone in case the gangway breaks off - but they would be a start.

The big issue here is, the ship is going to undock within the next few minutes. How do people know to stop heading for the gangway and start heading for the transporters? I hope the computer is being informative there.

The manner in which LaForge and Data evacuate is curious as well. They leave the bridge via turbolift, with some 40 seconds left till explosion, and then materialize on the starbase room-with-view, with dozens of seconds still left till explosion. Does this mean they turbolifted themselves to the cargo transporters designated for Decks 2 through 4 and beamed off them in less than 20 seconds? And carefully targeted Quinteros while doing it?

Or did they just watch the lift doors close, glance at each other, and go "To hell with this - computer, two to beam directly to, umm, where is Commander Quinteros? Okay, and do we have site-to-site resources available? All right, two to beam there NOW."?

Timo Saloniemi
 
I took it that 40-some seconds until the autopilot took over and departed not left until explosion. I would hope that in "reality" that at 40-seconds until explosion the ship would have been well out of the spacedock at that point.
 
Hmm. Quite possibly the last shot of evacuees moving through the gangway (just before the first shot of Quinteros looking through his window) and the E-D doors closing might have denoted the severing of the gangway connection for good, and the beginning of ship movement. Although Data does state after this that everybody is departing either by transporter or on foot... Oh, well.

If we assume there are 40 seconds to the automated departure at that point, then Data and LaForge getting to Quinteros is easy to swallow. OTOH, why would there be such a long delay after everybody else is already offboard but will have achieved nothing unless the ship is flung out of the spacedock before the kaboom?

I'd rather that they estimated the ship would blow in four minutes; they spent four minutes evacuating, and managed to conclude in three minutes and twenty seconds (probably severing the gangway connection at two minutes or something already and starting the slow reversing out of dock while transporter evac continued); Data and LaForge then left, and spent the full 40 seconds getting off the ship; the kaboom time came and went but nobody was really surprised because estimates are bound to fail; and then Data and LaForge reached Quinteros, and the ship still hadn't blown, and they breathed more easily but began to wonder why they were still alive, and found out that the containment field appeared to be holding after all; didn't dare beam back aboard anyway; and then the ship cleared the doors and was gone.

It's a funny little timeline, but perhaps plausible nevertheless.

Timo Saloniemi
 
What's more funny, in the evac scene in the transporter line, with the slight pushing, what do we see, but that their is an open spot on teh transporter.

You have a line waiting to beam off, and what th hell, lets just beam five instead of six.

Where's O'Brien when you need him to show them how to actually beam six people.

O'Brien was working security at that point in time. Maybe he noted the inefficent use of Transporters durin this incident and reported it and got himself promoted o Transporter Chief as a result.
 
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