11:59

[Orphalesion]

It was like Kira and that old Bajoran only with romance and the old Bajoran had more of a point because they were going to blow up his whole moon, not build a totally cool arcology for him to have his store in.

The romance was standard late 90s television movie.

I wish the Millennium Gate was real though. There's probably something like it in Dubai or stuff, but I'd prefer it to be in a place where I can visit it with my boyfriend without fearing to be lynched.

 

[Jeri]

Brian Keith was hunky. I remember him from the 1960's. He's another tall redhead I picture in a kilt. Mucho mejor que Kevin Tighe, although I did like "Emergency." Everybody did. (It profiled the beginning of paramedics as an institution. There used to be no paramedics; just ambulance drivers. They were forbidden by law to practice medicine; victims were forced to wait until they got to the hospital, DOA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency! )

 

[hux]

Kevin Tighe is only ten years older than Mulgrew. I guess he just looked old for 50 (I kinda saw him as being in his early 60's at least)

Anyway, her attraction to him didn't really add up

 

[Iamnotspock]

I liked that episode, too. But I didn't like "Janeway" playing her own ancestor. It is always the same: Jonathan Frakes as Will, Thomas and Thaddeus Riker. Brent Spiner as the whole Soong Clan. They are not ancestors. They are clones. I have bad experiences with clones.

Except those examples make sense; Soong built his androids in his own image, Thomas and Will were the same person up until a certain point in their lives, that was the whole point, and Frakes didn't play Thaddius Riker. Apart from that, spot on.

 

[Kilana2]

I liked that episode, too. But I didn't like "Janeway" playing her own ancestor. It is always the same: Jonathan Frakes as Will, Thomas and Thaddeus Riker. Brent Spiner as the whole Soong Clan. They are not ancestors. They are clones. I have bad experiences with clones.

Except those examples make sense; Soong built his androids in his own image, Thomas and Will were the same person up until a certain point in their lives, that was the whole point, and Frakes didn't play Thaddius Riker. Apart from that, spot on.

And, by the way, we would have missed how Shannon stole Kathryn the show in this episode, if she' d been played by someone else. Maybe Kate Mulgrew would play her mother Gretchen and her sister Phoebe, too.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

Why was he so old? Why couldn't she fall for some young devastatingly handsome, charismatic fellow adventure?

And why did she have to settle down in some back water and give up on life in order to have a family? Was this the 50's she went back to? The whole thing stank of convention and cliche

The only reason I keep watching this episode is for the bridge crew chatting in Janeway's ready room. I fast forward the Henry Janeway bilge

I'm with you.

 

[Catarina]

Why was he so old? Why couldn't she fall for some young devastatingly handsome, charismatic fellow adventure?

And why did she have to settle down in some back water and give up on life in order to have a family? Was this the 50's she went back to? The whole thing stank of convention and cliche

The only reason I keep watching this episode is for the bridge crew chatting in Janeway's ready room. I fast forward the Henry Janeway bilge

I'm with you.

I agree. But Kate was born in the 50's and even today thinks like it. So it's reasonable to assume O'Donnell would do that. Doesn't mean I like it.

 

[Melakon]

But Kate was born in the 50's and even today thinks like it.

I'm older than Kate. You got something against people born in the 50's who think like it?

 

[Beawild]

I agree. But Kate was born in the 50's and even today thinks like it. So it's reasonable to assume O'Donnell would do that. Doesn't mean I like it.

I don't get your comment. Kate was born in 1955, so most of her growing up years took place in the 60s and early 70s. Besides, she was playing a part as written. What would her personal views have to do with "Shannon"?

 

[JanewayRulz!]

I agree. But Kate was born in the 50's and even today thinks like it. So it's reasonable to assume O'Donnell would do that. Doesn't mean I like it.

I don't get your comment. Kate was born in 1955, so most of her growing up years took place in the 60s and early 70s. Besides, she was playing a part as written. What would her personal views have to do with "Shannon"?

Mulgrew's 2015 views are circa 1950's? How so?

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

I doubt everyone born in the 50's or earlier still has that old-fashioned mentality in today's climate. To say otherwise sounds like stereotyping.

 

[Catarina]

I wasn't clear but yes, Kate does have some old fashioned ideas. I'm not labeling her. Just trying to make a point it hasn't been that long-not everyone will meet our little trek ideals.

 

[Catarina]

Sorry for not being clear.
I was attempting devil's advocate. Let's try again.

What's wrong with dating older men, rethinking your career, downsizing, and having a large family instead aka traditional? It seems like some of you are bummed she wasn't dismissive of the guy. I liked him. But I am an ex hermit so...

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

The issue isn't Henry's age. It's that I felt like Shannon was giving up so much of what she wanted out of life just to be with him. He had no interest in seeing the world and expanding as a person whereas she did. Why not be with someone who shares your ideals? I felt like she settled simply because she didn't want to be alone.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I agree. But Kate was born in the 50's and even today thinks like it. So it's reasonable to assume O'Donnell would do that. Doesn't mean I like it.

I don't get your comment. Kate was born in 1955, so most of her growing up years took place in the 60s and early 70s. Besides, she was playing a part as written. What would her personal views have to do with "Shannon"?

Mulgrew lobbied quite successfully that Janeway would never exceed her own 20th century metric of Prudishness.

Berman on the other hand wanted to have the sex addict Kirk option in his tool belt if such a story struck his fancy.

 

[tcm121]

I've always been put off watching the episode as it's poorly received by a fair few fans. Having recently watched it, I actually quite enjoyed it though! A refreshing change from "encounter anomaly, something, bad things, something, make contact with new aliens, something, something, reroute power through the main deflector, solved!"

Might not be the most enthralling and polished story but exploring how history can be distorted in a positive way was an interesting idea. That's when Star Trek's heading in the right direction for me: exploring new concepts and ideas with scifi being a vehicle for it. I also liked the casual feeling in the ship scenes, nice to just have some fairly simple informal chatting going on between the main characters.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Berman couldn't do a girl Kirk.

Thank god we didn't get his cliched ridden embarrassing attempt.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The issue isn't Henry's age. It's that I felt like Shannon was giving up so much of what she wanted out of life just to be with him. He had no interest in seeing the world and expanding as a person whereas she did. Why not be with someone who shares your ideals? I felt like she settled simply because she didn't want to be alone.

They were going to work in a bookshop in a space station mall.

It wasn't a love story, and in the end: his personality was shattered, if they did fall in love, which they did, it didn't happen in 11:59, just like Han and Leia didn't get funky in A New Hope, and anyone who says that they were, does not believe in the healing power of incest.

Shannon should have ended up with Henry's kid.

I've always been put off watching the episode as it's poorly received by a fair few fans. Having recently watched it, I actually quite enjoyed it though! A refreshing change from "encounter anomaly, something, bad things, something, make contact with new aliens, something, something, reroute power through the main deflector, solved!"

Might not be the most enthralling and polished story but exploring how history can be distorted in a positive way was an interesting idea. That's when Star Trek's heading in the right direction for me: exploring new concepts and ideas with scifi being a vehicle for it. I also liked the casual feeling in the ship scenes, nice to just have some fairly simple informal chatting going on between the main characters.

What they were originally pushing for, was to have no 24th entry in this story whatsoever.

it's all detailed in Memory Alpha, but it's the drama on Voyager trying to tenuously Create a connection to the past that was the most trying to me. Seven bent logic till it's heels were touching the poor buggers ear lobes.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Berman couldn't do a girl Kirk.

Thank god we didn't get his cliched ridden embarrassing attempt.

Explain to me how Jeri Taylor would have done a superior job?

 

[BruntFCA]

Kevin Tighe is only ten years older than Mulgrew. I guess he just looked old for 50 (I kinda saw him as being in his early 60's at least)

Anyway, her attraction to him didn't really add up

I first saw this episode when I was a kid and I always remembered it as the one set on earth with Janeway and her dad, so you can imagine the awkwardness that ensued when I watched it again years later.