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Oh hahaha! 
He and James Doohan had a feud?
Did any of them get along?
Besides Shatner and Nimoy.
He and James Doohan had a feud?
Did any of them get along?
Besides Shatner and Nimoy.
Nah I made up the feud I'm afraid!
And Walter Koenig was best man at George Takei's wedding...but there have been conflicting comments as to that...but still says something I think!
I'm under the impression that except for feuds with Shatner, mainly by Takei at this point, they all get along pretty well...but I could be wrong on that count...
And Walter Koenig was best man at George Takei's wedding...but there have been conflicting comments as to that...but still says something I think!
I'm under the impression that except for feuds with Shatner, mainly by Takei at this point, they all get along pretty well...but I could be wrong on that count...
I think they all hated Shatner at one point.
I'm sure even Nimoy did too, probably for an hour after the bike incident.
I'm sure even Nimoy did too, probably for an hour after the bike incident.
Because I mean Nimoy? Which should have been pretty obvious considering the comment was on directors...
EDIT: I'm glad someone got it!
I got it, I was just bored when I was postin' and goin' for sarcasm more than anything else.
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I personally loved it...it was interesting and didn't subtract from my over all VOY viewing experience. IMHO. 
I thought it was dull. I voted "meh". As to whether it was Trek, of course it was. It was just somewhat dull Trek. Had some nice visual though.
I voted "meh," but I think it did make a good point about selective and suggestive memory. I do think of it sometimes on that topic.
In that way it harkens to TNG: Matter of Perspective; also come to think of it the VOY episode with Tom and the feather-hair lady -- and the VOY episode challenging B'Elanna's memories of a criminal case.
Now I'm wondering why there was such a number of episodes about mistaken memories -- if it were during the rash of revelations in real life that so-called recovered memories were bogus...
In that way it harkens to TNG: Matter of Perspective; also come to think of it the VOY episode with Tom and the feather-hair lady -- and the VOY episode challenging B'Elanna's memories of a criminal case.
Now I'm wondering why there was such a number of episodes about mistaken memories -- if it were during the rash of revelations in real life that so-called recovered memories were bogus...
Her nanoprobes were harvested, the ladies naughty bits where completely left alone. Mock rape. Metarape. I cried because Voyager proved she (wait? I think the tv show is a girl?) had balls the size of pinheads because they were too paintywaste to approach the topic head on with some honesty.
I understand that organ theft/harvesting is a type of rape, but c'mon, introducing the probes into her blood was complete molestation so removing her probes even without permission was an "unrape". Good lord she was completely Stockholmed into the fold by the Borg and it's a wonder that that mania didn't perpetuate that she sought out situations where she was dominated and powerless (Cough!). That being said it quite explains her personality, that she's overcompensating with a gruff clinical exterior to soft shoe her natural predilections.
If Voyager wanted to do a show about rape, they should have done a show about rape. I feel insulted as a viewer that this "Public message" had to be crouched in such tedious bubblerap and metaphor.
I understand that organ theft/harvesting is a type of rape, but c'mon, introducing the probes into her blood was complete molestation so removing her probes even without permission was an "unrape". Good lord she was completely Stockholmed into the fold by the Borg and it's a wonder that that mania didn't perpetuate that she sought out situations where she was dominated and powerless (Cough!). That being said it quite explains her personality, that she's overcompensating with a gruff clinical exterior to soft shoe her natural predilections.
If Voyager wanted to do a show about rape, they should have done a show about rape. I feel insulted as a viewer that this "Public message" had to be crouched in such tedious bubblerap and metaphor.
But how often did Star Trek tackle an issue head on? Their hallmark is (thinly) obscured metaphors of issues.
Interesting points on the nanoprobes issue though. The show was more about the violation of self rather than the act itself though.
Remember the episode of That 70's show where Kelso is spazzing out about the aliens being the same and different and us when Kirk fought those buggers who were chesssetfaced?
Metaphors in the 60s(to modern day even. Seen Southpark recently?) weren't used to get around an audience, metaphors where used to get around the censors and suits, but there was no barrier barely stopping Berman on down from to his lowest yesman copywriter fully plumbing this theme in graphic detail if they thought it would serve the entertainment value of the story... it's brave to make a show about forbidden material using metaphor, however it's obnoxious or fearful to make show in metaphor about subject matter you already have a green light for.
It's not like the entire crew wasn't put in stirrups for Caretaker to rape in the pilot. Even if he only by the final judgement got his end away with Harry and B'Elanna trying to impregnate them with his space pecker. Straight out of the gate, the entire crew was (almost)raped because Caretaker forgot he'd already raped a mostly human crew. That must have reared up some self esteem issues for Rudy and Max: "Don't we matter!? Aren't we special?"
Metaphors in the 60s(to modern day even. Seen Southpark recently?) weren't used to get around an audience, metaphors where used to get around the censors and suits, but there was no barrier barely stopping Berman on down from to his lowest yesman copywriter fully plumbing this theme in graphic detail if they thought it would serve the entertainment value of the story... it's brave to make a show about forbidden material using metaphor, however it's obnoxious or fearful to make show in metaphor about subject matter you already have a green light for.
It's not like the entire crew wasn't put in stirrups for Caretaker to rape in the pilot. Even if he only by the final judgement got his end away with Harry and B'Elanna trying to impregnate them with his space pecker. Straight out of the gate, the entire crew was (almost)raped because Caretaker forgot he'd already raped a mostly human crew. That must have reared up some self esteem issues for Rudy and Max: "Don't we matter!? Aren't we special?"
I was fine with the show till season 6.
Before that Voyager was magic beans.
Amazing. This is an episode that brings some sort of character development and insight to a character, shows some "crew bonding" and it has very little, if any Technobabble, and it still isn't good enough. Perhaps if they were gathering supplies...
There were no lizards and no holo-BFs but I loved this episode (It is on my top 25 somewhere) because it was Kate's "vanity piece". As a fan of the show and Kate Mulgrew I find this episode highly enjoyable and I watch if for a fix every now and then. Sure it doesn't have an alien of the week or space travel but it was a good story. Also it went along with the BIG Y2K CRAP that was going on at the time, a way to use the present in a show set in the future.
There were no lizards and no holo-BFs but I loved this episode (It is on my top 25 somewhere) because it was Kate's "vanity piece". As a fan of the show and Kate Mulgrew I find this episode highly enjoyable and I watch if for a fix every now and then. Sure it doesn't have an alien of the week or space travel but it was a good story. Also it went along with the BIG Y2K CRAP that was going on at the time, a way to use the present in a show set in the future.
If it was a vanity piece, they would have gotten a hotter (younger) guy to play Henry Janeway.
We've already attacked his age, and he wasn't really all that much older than Mulgrew, but he looked liked and had the mannerisms of a grandfather... How Mrs Robinson would it have been for Shannon to hook up with Jason Janeway?
We've already attacked his age, and he wasn't really all that much older than Mulgrew, but he looked liked and had the mannerisms of a grandfather... How Mrs Robinson would it have been for Shannon to hook up with Jason Janeway?
Anyway?
What?! Are you picking on me!
Also, I guess what I have heard is the guy thay played Henry was a friend of KM and I believe she wanted him to do it.
heh heh.. don't mind me, I love even the holo-BF.
Yes I heard that too. He's no Jaffen, lol.
