“The Galileo Seven”—why those seven?

[blssdwlf]

you miss the point. When people melt down, they reveal their inner issues. I.E. "in vino veritas".

Your point is easier to follow without trying to tie it to some not as relatable point, IMHO. "in vino veritas" ("in wine, truth") is not the same as your variations:
"under any influence, truth"
or "an outburst of severe emotional distress (meltdown), truth"...

Although there are counterexamples as well like in "What Are Little Girls Made Of" where Kirk-2 is influenced by Kirk-1 during the cloning. That doesn't make Kirk-2's racism Kirk-1's truth. Or the mind manipulations in "Day of the Dove" resulting in meltdowns (outbursts of severe emotional distress) from lies generated by the creature onboard the ship.

It would be better to say that Kirk was a complicated man...

 

[Farscape One]

In the case of "WHAT ARE LITTLE GIRLS MADE OF?", that was Kirk's way of sending a coded message to Spock that it was not him and he was in trouble. Which Spock picked up on that clue and beamed down.

And "DAY OF THE DOVE"... the alien can make nonexistant dead brothers as a rallying cry to attack Klingons. It even made Spock ready to fight Scotty.

 

[Pauln6]

There are numerous examples of Kirk losing his cool and snapping at his crew. It's a whole thing in TMP. It's part of his command style.

 

[Pauln6]

A: But still Kirk, if far too commanding. Even passive Kirk was quietly melting away in a sense.....

B: Which made him even more childish, yet knocking off the bonk-bonk-boy from his pedestal was admittedly too tempting to resist.

C: All right, but the ham factor was retained. Kirk/J was entertainingly evil anyhow. In an odd way, Sandra Smith's acting reminded me of Patty Duke, in both of her TURNABOUT roles.

D: You're correct. I'd forgotten I'd edit-mashed that scene on another VHS tape while pretending it immediately followed TOS' 1969 cancellation. Carry on, Garth.

E: Not in the turbolift. And there, the ham reached epic proportions before the climactic ''embrace.''

F: I always love it when the one man who can't personally take command threatens to remove Kirky from it.

G: ANYTIME YOU CAN BLUFF ME, DOCTOR!!!!!



James Blish seemed to suggest 250 years was the average in the BABEL adaptation.



Mostly directed at Decker. Perhaps Kirky simply has an unwarranted bias against those named Decker taking command of this ship?

He's snapped at McCoy on more than one occasion too. I rather like that about Kirk.

And a big thumbs up from me when he dresses down Chekov and Landon for canoodling while on duty. I get sooo annoyed by that: NuUhura and NuSpock kissing on the transporter pad, everyone having heart to hearts in every episode of Discovery. Save it for the Rec Deck people! Work hours are for doing your job and complaining about having to do your job.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

It's a job that is also your life, long-term, and the ship is fitted out with ways to enjoy your off-hours.

When you're walking/flying into the unknown so often, you naturally face the possibility of your death more often than, say, a soldier posted to an American base on US soil who doesn't get deployed. The deployment danger comes to you - the ship is just as likely to be attacked even if you don't leave it.

 

[Pauln6]

As if Kirky never engaged in similar behavior, dancing with pretty androids while 80 percent of the Enterprise is on the verge of spitting up plague phlegm. Landon was nervous. Chekov tried to reassure her, as Kirky has at times with Rand. If Kirk were a doctor, there'd be Crite inside his hypo.

Even Spock gets lectured for taking the plant thorns! There's captainly gratitude! I just fail to see the need to Shat on everyone when somebody who switches girlfriends every third week preaches against practicing.

In Kirk's defence, most of the women he seduced were in the line of duty. #takingonefortheteam

 

[Poltargyst]

My concern is in making it sound like Kirk has some meltdown every time he's in a stressful situation. I think there are more examples of Kirk exhibiting stress but still grace under pressure than melting down. I hardly think "snapping at a coworker when in a life or death situation" is some great character flaw for Kirk. He's human. He's allowed to show stress. He holds it together better than the great majority of people would in the situations he's been in.

 

[Holopat]

My concern is in making it sound like Kirk has some meltdown every time he's in a stressful situation. I think there are more examples of Kirk exhibiting stress but still grace under pressure than melting down. I hardly think "snapping at a coworker when in a life or death situation" is some great character flaw for Kirk. He's human. He's allowed to show stress. He holds it together better than the great majority of people would in the situations he's been in.

you're reading that in. Or trying to put words in other than what I said. What I said was when in a stressful situation Kirk has (at times) revealed his fear of losing command. Which he has done. Not that he has a meltdown every time he's in a stressful situation. Obviously he hasn't done that.

 

[Pauln6]

you're reading that in. Or trying to put words in other than what I said. What I said was when in a stressful situation Kirk has (at times) revealed his fear of losing command. Which he has done. Not that he has a meltdown every time he's in a stressful situation. Obviously he hasn't done that.

Stressful situations don't just affect the captain. I love the exchange between Kirk and Uhura in the Naked Time and the fact that they both understand they're in it together almost immediately. A great, subtle character moment.

 

[Nerys Myk]

There are numerous examples of Kirk losing his cool and snapping at his crew. It's a whole thing in TMP. It's part of his command style.

TMP and TWOK could be titled "How Jim Got His Groove Back".

 

[Phaser Two]

Yeah, frankly, although Kirk occasionally snaps at his bridge staff ("The Naked Time," "A Private Little War," "Obsession"), in most situations he's cool as a cucumber. Especially with alien adversaries, to whom he is almost always unfailingly polite and cordial.

 

[Pauln6]

Yeah, frankly, although Kirk occasionally snaps at his bridge staff ("The Naked Time," "A Private Little War," "Obsession"), in most situations he's cool as a cucumber. Especially with alien adversaries, to whom he is almost always unfailingly polite and cordial.

He doesn't believe in a no win scenario. I think he snaps at people if he's still trying to find that perfect solution in his head. All the while he has clear options, he's fine.

 

[Warped9]

That “no win scenario” stuff stems from TWOK. I find it hard to see the TOS Kirk doing that when a young “stack of books with legs.”

 

[Pauln6]

That “no win scenario” stuff stems from TWOK. I find it hard to see the TOS Kirk doing that when a young “stack of books with legs.”

Lol - yeah I had my tongue in cheek, although, in the novelisation, Kirk has the idea but persuades one of his more talented classmates to hack into the system, so it was more about demonstrating innovation and leadership, which are skills that Kirk demonstrates all throughout TOS. But what I meant was, it's when his back is against the wall, when his crew is in danger and he can't think immediately of the best way to save them, that he gets irritable. Or when he's overcompensating because he fancies his yeoman.

 

[Phaser Two]

He doesn't believe in a no win scenario. I think he snaps at people if he's still trying to find that perfect solution in his head. All the while he has clear options, he's fine.

Interesting take. He was also under clear duress in The Naked Time (virus), A Private Little War (worried about Spock - great delivery by Shatner when he apologizes) and Obsession (cloud creature reappearance and resulting mindset).

 

[Commishsleer]

My concern is in making it sound like Kirk has some meltdown every time he's in a stressful situation. I think there are more examples of Kirk exhibiting stress but still grace under pressure than melting down. I hardly think "snapping at a coworker when in a life or death situation" is some great character flaw for Kirk. He's human. He's allowed to show stress. He holds it together better than the great majority of people would in the situations he's been in.

I would say that at times of stress Kirk can be "short" with his crew but not snapping to the point people are afraid of him.
I agree that he should have told Chekov to keep his mind on his work even if is somewhat hypocritical. Boom. He's the Captain after all. When Chekov's captain he can kiss someone on the bridge ( except for he sexual harrasment aspect)..
In that Which Survives everyone is having a go at the crew Kirk -If I wanted a Russian History Lesson?,Spock - I want everything reported to me to 20 decimal places (for no apparent reason).
Also Kirk is short with everyone in Trouble With Tribbles.
Mostly Kirk is friendly and joking with the crew but he has to show that he can be tough if necessary. So I find his crankiness at time makes Kirk a more realistic character with some (minor) character flaws. Not just a super perfect hero who never does anything wrong.
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[hifijohn]

Spock was sent because the show was about Spock's first command and how his logic wasn't any good, that's why Spock was never made a captain of a star ship.

 

[1001001]

Spock was sent because the show was about Spock's first command and how his logic wasn't any good, that's why Spock was never made a captain of a star ship.

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Thanks.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

You're reading too much into it. I would be willing to bet decent money that many TV writers back then weren't interested in making all the pieces fit together in the manner you suggest. That grouping of characters were, at best, probably picked because the writer thought the dynamic and interactions would be interesting. Let's face it, TOS presented an undercurrent of hostility and conflict between Spock (rational logic) and humans (irrational emotions). This is on full display during this episode. At worst, the characters chosen were simply an arbitrary decision by the writer.

Six characters in search of an author. Five characters in search of an exit. Four characters in search of a way out of a Chula game. Seven characters in search of a way to get back to the ship. It's a grand theatrical tradition.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

Six characters in search of an author. Five characters in search of an exit. Four characters in search of a way out of a Chula game. Seven characters in search of a way to get back to the ship. It's a grand theatrical tradition.

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