“Jean-Luc Picard is back”: will new Picard show eclipse Discovery?

[picardjean-luc]

To be honest, it's a different approach:
I like to see familiar characters, in new situations and adventures.

That being said: The excitement for the Picard show operates under the assumption that there will actually be new adventures and storylines to be told. If the Picard show is going to be about, say, stopping an Invasion of a Borg Cube, that then turns into the Borg travelling into the past to alter history, and Picard having to fight the Borg in the past to preserve the future (just this time to the 18th century, instead of the 21st), people are going to be disappointed. Rightly so.

I'm with you on this. No more Borg, please!! I consider them defeated for good during the battle in VOY's season finale. Let's find a new baddie for Picard to fight against. Either a completely new one or Species 8472, which is supposed to be deadlier and scarier than the Borg.

If I were Patrick Steward, I ABSOLUTELY would prefer punching badguys in the face and banging green space chicks! I really can understand him lobbying for that, and I don't blame him for trying! But as a viewer, I really only would like to see that as the exception, (and then notably highlighted as such - I really like "starship mine"). But as his "regular" modus operandi, I want to see Picard have tense debates and speeches (even though that's not as interesting for him as an actor to do), and relegate the action stuff to other characters.

I think it'll be a waste of Sir Patrick's talent if there's no scene of him reciting Shakesperaean dialogue at all in the new series. Bring back the Picard who argued with Q to save his crew and humanity and who made a passionate speech to defend Data in "The Measure of a Man," please

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[Mudd]

I'd rather see a new, sophisticated take on the Borg than any of the other adversarial species Trek has come up with over the years. We sure don't need more Klingons.

 

[fireproof78]

Please, no Borg. No Klingons.

 

[picardjean-luc]

Please, no Borg. No Klingons.

Discovery Klingons is a no no. But I'll keep an open mind for TNG & DS9 Klingons. Would be good to see Worf again

 

[fireproof78]

Discovery Klingons is a no no. But I'll keep an open mind for TNG & DS9 Klingons. Would be good to see Worf again

You keep an open mind. Discovery Klingons are the first I actually cared about the Klingons since TUC. Other than Worf, I see no reason to revisit the Klingons again.

 

[dahj]

Please, no Borg. No Klingons.

How about Klingon Borgs?

 

[XCV330]

How about Klingon Borgs?

as much as I am tired of Klingons and Borgs, that might win me over to an episode or two

 

[Noname Given]

To be honest, it's a different approach:
I like to see familiar characters, in new situations and adventures.

What DIS so far offered, was familiar characters and situation completely changed up, but only to tell overall very familiar and safe situations and stories.

I honestly do not agree with that characterization of the ST: D season one storyline at all. Yes, they were in space, and yes it was about a full scale war (which DS9 covered previously) - but I don't see how you can call a show whose storyline focuses on the story of a convicted Starfleet mutineer a "safe and familiar situation/story..." in Star Trek continuity.

 

[fireproof78]

How about Klingon Borgs?

Only if they use melee weapons.

 

[dahj]

Only if they use melee weapons.

"You will be assimilated... in pieces."
*takes out bat'leth*

 

[DaveyNY]

Because that would be too positive. After all, we cannot have two shows co-exists. We had to figure out who was the best captain, Kirk or Picard! We had determine who was smarter and on and on.

It's a sad fact that humans cannot help but compare.

I stopped actively comparing things around the age of 22, when my GF at the time told me she'd had bigger...

Needless to say, it wasn't only my EGO that "deflated" that day.

 

[Jinn]

How about Klingon Borgs?

Or Swedish Klingons?

 

[fireproof78]

"You will be assimilated... in pieces."
*takes out bat'leth*

It is a good day to assimilate.

I stopped actively comparing things around the age of 22, when my GF at the time told me she'd had bigger...

Needless to say, it wasn't only my EGO that "deflated" that day.

It's just too painful...I hear ya

 

[dahj]

Or Swedish Klingons?

That would be Viking Space Vikings.
You can't have Double Vikings, it's unheard of!

 

[Spot261]

That would be Viking Space Vikings.
You can't have Double Vikings, it's unheard of!

Jamaican Vikings are the way to go

 

[Spot261]

I stopped actively comparing things around the age of 22, when my GF at the time told me she'd had bigger...

Needless to say, it wasn't only my EGO that "deflated" that day.

Dude, don't hold back...

 

[Greg Cox]

The problem with the fans is that they're never happy. There's always too much of this, not enough of that... it's an endless complaint...

Threading the needle between "Hey, this is just the same old stuff!" and "Hey, this isn't enough like the old stuff!" is not easy . . . ..

 

[Vger23]

Please, no Borg. No Klingons.

I don't think there needs to be a "baddie" for the Picard series. I would like to see them come up with something different.

If they go with the Borg as a central story element ...I admit I would have a real serious problem with that.

 

[Rahul]

I honestly do not agree with that characterization of the ST: D season one storyline at all. Yes, they were in space, and yes it was about a full scale war (which DS9 covered previously) - but I don't see how you can call a show whose storyline focuses on the story of a convicted Starfleet mutineer a "safe and familiar situation/story..." in Star Trek continuity.

Tom Paris anyone....?
There even was (another) plotline where he was jailed on VOY for 30 days for disobeying command, and had to rise back through the ranks by sheer competence, and to be forgiven (and given back his old rank) in a big ceremony for his service on the Voyager.

In fact, for me personally, the original sin of Tom Paris/Nich Locarno (being responsible for and covering up a fatal accident, then join the Maquis) actually feels like a much bigger gut-punch than Burnhams (mutineer and be responsible for an entire war). As they say - the death of one man is a tragedy, the death of a million is a statistic.

Now to be fair - that personal story could have been told in a whole new, gripping level. But it wasn't. While the plot arc of DIS was heavily serialized - her personal storyline essentially hit the same notes and beats as Tom Paris little serialized mutiny arc did back in the 90s...

 

[Vger23]

Tom Paris anyone....?
There even was (another) plotline where he was jailed on VOY for 30 days for disobeying command, and had to rise back through the ranks by sheer competence, and to be forgiven (and given back his old rank) in a big ceremony for his service on the Voyager.

In fact, for me personally, the original sin of Tom Paris/Nich Locarno (being responsible for and covering up a fatal accident, then join the Maquis) actually feels like a much bigger gut-punch than Burnhams (mutineer and be responsible for an entire war). As they say - the death of one man is a tragedy, the death of a million is a statistic.

Now to be fair - that personal story could have been told in a whole new, gripping level. But it wasn't. While the plot arc of DIS was heavily serialized - her personal storyline essentially hit the same notes and beats as Tom Paris little serialized mutiny arc did back in the 90s...

I just watched that VOY episode and a few that follow it about a month ago.

Difference is that, aside from the actual episode he gets demoted in, nothing material happens as a result. It's just business as usual except they now call him "Ensign" instead of "Lieutenant. ". This was VOY's well-known weakness. Everything resets the following episode.

Not same the same about Burnham.

So, no, I can't agree with thus.