“Jean-Luc Picard is back”: will new Picard show eclipse Discovery?

[jaime]

Sarcasm. A foreign concept

Actually, I believe we invented old chap, just after tennis and before croquet, whilst nibbling a sandwich.
...
But it is dying in the modern age. I blame them introducing the coloured kits for sarcasm teams, and cutting it down from a three day conversation to a twenty words/twenty syllables game. XD

 

[Tuskin38]

In other parts of the internet they indicate sarcasm by placing a '/s' at the end of a post.

 

[Dar70]

I was excited about a Picard Show until I heard Kurtzman was involved. Expect lots of ties to Discovery and not much repsect to established continuity.

 

[Tuskin38]

Expect lots of ties to Discovery and not much repsect to established continuity.

It's 20 years after Nemesis, not a prequel, so I can't see that.

 

[Dar70]

Maybe that's what Klingons are supposed to look like and the other shows lacked the ability to fully achieve it. Like how they went from humans in dark makeup and hair pieces to humans with forehead pieces made from latex. Now they look more like an alien lifeform because makeup has improved over the years.

That's the excuse so many fans used for years as well as the producers. It was such a topic of conversation for years and than ENT finally came up (as well as Ds9 hinted before it) with a great reason for it. Now Discovery has thrown that out the window. I remember when Enterprise came out there was grumbling that it didn't look Pre-TOS enough. I always thought it looked retro enough in a industrial sort of way. Now we get dicovery that is set 10 years before and no matter how people try to reconcile it, there's just no way it should look the way it does. Sets and Klingon makeup .They could have struck a nice balance between modern sets and classic sets but they didn't even try. Look at the pic of the outside of Spocks Quarters on Discovery. There's not even a hint of them trying to give it a bit of visual continuity. Would it have hurt to have normal sized doors and white Walls? The only thing they carried over was the room numbers.

 

[Noname Given]

That's the excuse so many fans used for years as well as the producers. It was such a topic of conversation for years and than ENT finally came up (as well as Ds9 hinted before it) with a great reason for it. Now Discovery has thrown that out the window. I remember when Enterprise came out there was grumbling that it didn't look Pre-TOS enough.

ST: D didn't throw anything out the window. Hell, the first fan rationalization for the "difference in appearance" in ST:TMP was that "full blooded Klingons" (IE the one's seen in ST:TMP) were never seen by ANYONE outside the Empire.

Again (and it's been shown many times) that the Klingon look from ST:TMP onward has NEVER BEEN CONSISTENT. So, ST: D introduced another type of Klingons never seen before -- wow, what a shock!

 

[Dar70]

ST: D didn't throw anything out the window. Hell, the first fan rationalization for the "difference in appearance" in ST:TMP was that "full blooded Klingons" (IE the one's seen in ST:TMP) were never seen by ANYONE outside the Empire.

Again (and it's been shown many times) that the Klingon look from ST:TMP onward has NEVER BEEN CONSISTENT. So, ST: D introduced another type of Klingons never seen before -- wow, what a shock!

Pretty much since the motion picture they have remained pretty consistent imo. Yes longer hair was added etc. Discovery was a huge departure. With the Alien Queen type heads and completely bald. If this was just a never before seen type of Klingon perhaps they should have mixed it up a bit. But pretty much TMP onwards (even with the Kelvin universes slight alteration) they have remained pretty much the same.

 

[Noname Given]

Pretty much since the motion picture they have remained pretty consistent imo. Yes longer hair was added etc. Discovery was a huge departure. With the Alien Queen type heads and completely bald. If this was just a never before seen type of Klingon perhaps they should have mixed it up a bit. But pretty much TMP onwards (even with the Kelvin universes slight alteration) they have remained pretty much the same.

Um no, they really hvent:

 

[Dar70]

Um no, they really hvent:

Proved my point. The TOS Klongos were explained. The one that stands out the most in that pic is Discoverys. All the rest are just slight updates. Discoverys is the biggest departure since TMP began the ridge Klingons.

 

[Noname Given]

Proved my point. The TOS Klongos were explained. The one that stands out the most in that pic is Discoverys. All the rest are just slight updates. Discoverys is the biggest departure since TMP began the ridge Klingons.

my friend you need glasses.

 

[BillJ]

I was excited about a Picard Show until I heard Kurtzman was involved. Expect lots of ties to Discovery and not much repsect to established continuity.

Does it matter as long as we get a good story?

 

[Dar70]

Does it matter as long as we get a good story?

It depends. We shall see.

 

[Dar70]

my friend you need glasses.

Not really. I wear contacts. Still there's gonna be slight variations. All of which we saw on all the 90's series. If they wanted to introduce a new variety of Klingon they should have at least intermingled it with other variations. Anyone have a side view shape of the Alien Queen shaped headed klingons..??

 

[Phaser Two]

Answer to the thread title is yes, easily.

 

[fireproof78]

I was excited about a Picard Show until I heard Kurtzman was involved. Expect lots of ties to Discovery and not much repsect to established continuity.

What continuity is established 20 years post NEM?

 

[Arpy]

Um no, they really hvent:

I haven't read far back enough to know exactly what you're arguing about, but 3/4 of these Klingons are exactly the same. They're from the same era (Grilka/Martok) or same exact movie (Lursa/Betor) or episode (Heart of Glory) or literally wearing the same exact makeup (Worf/Kurn), etc. That the lighting is different or that they're showing different familial foreheads doesn't mean they're different in the way that TOS/TNG/DSC Klingons are different. More aliens should have the variety that these have, and considerably more, given the differences among humans in the real world.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I was excited about a Picard Show until I heard Kurtzman was involved. Expect lots of ties to Discovery and not much repsect to established continuity.

I can't wait to meet Jean-Luc Picard's sister!

 

[Mirror Tuvix]

Um no, they really hvent:

Yeah but a lot of these are contemporaneous cranial ridges meant to show considerable genetic diversity among Klingons, which is a separate issue from them tweaking the makeup over the years.

The biggest (Klingon makeup) jump of the pre-Kelvin Paramount era, is from Motion Picture to Search for Spock. Kruge doesn't look too different from the early TNG Klingons, which were gradually refined; and then expanding the concept of greater cranial variation among Klingons (a concept which began on Search for Spock).

But the look of the Discovery Klingons is a much more drastic departure than any of the changes from 1979 to 2005, which becomes especially obvious when one sees them in profile:

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Yeah but a lot of these are contemporaneous cranial ridges meant to show considerable genetic diversity among Klingons, which is a separate issue from them tweaking the makeup over the years.

The biggest (Klingon makeup) jump of the pre-Kelvin Paramount era, is from Motion Picture to Search for Spock. Kruge doesn't look too different from the early TNG Klingons, which were gradually refined; and then expanding the concept of greater cranial variation among Klingons (a concept which began on Search for Spock).

But the look of the Discovery Klingons is a much more drastic departure than any of the changes from 1979 to 2005, which becomes especially obvious when one sees them in profile:

I'm pretty sure L'Rell's skull was the largest we saw by quite a bit. It's entirely possible that skull size is just another form of natural variation among Klingons - and that many of the older Klingons could easily have carried the same kind of variation, simply masqued by their giant hairdos.

 

[Arpy]

The giant hairdos don’t go nearly far back enough to mask that, and we’ve seen bald Klingons or ones with shorter hair or pony tails, and none anywhere near approach her or any other DSC Klingon skull.