Who said anything about reset buttons? Fuck reset buttons.Can you imagine the howls of fury if they hit the reset button on Discovery after three seasons?
“Jean-Luc Picard is back”: will new Picard show eclipse Discovery?
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Stamets said the fungus only lives on a single planet, that they know of.
And that will vary from person to person. That doesn't make the Spore Drive a poor concept simply because it is in a prequel. The Spore Drive is a fine concept for Star Trek to explore, and they are doing more to explore than a one off concept in a film or show that has as much longer reaching implications in the universe.
Just one more thing for true fans to be angry about.Can you imagine the howls of fury if they hit the reset button on Discovery after three seasons?
I don't see how.
Well two now since they terraformed that moon in the second half of the season
Well, that's a moon, not a planet. Or... maybe it isn't a moon, but... a space station!
Not to mention that they've found about five or six different ways to become immortal and never use them!!!
It's cheese.
Turns out it's actually Mimas.
You seem to be forgetting (haha) "Remember Me" (TNG), which picked up directly from "Where No One Has Gone Before" (TNG) and in turn directly foreshadowed Wesley's ultimate fate in "Journey's End" (TNG). The Traveler appeared and was a significant connecting thread in all three. He had also been mentioned in between, in "Coming Of Age" (TNG) and "Time Squared" (TNG)—even though he wasn't involved in either at all, they deliberately sought to remind us of his existence. That's the exact opposite of "one and done."
Nonsense. Stamets is at present utterly unique in his understanding and ability to make any practical use of the network, and this has proven unsustainable even for him. It was only accomplished through means that no other species has yet been shown to be aware of. It could well take a millennium for anyone else to duplicate the technology. (And for all we know the Picard project will show them trying and failing! Also, for all we know, Season Two of DSC will show us that this subspace realm is ruled by beings who will ultimately prevent anyone from ours ever accessing it again! Any number of things could happen here...)
And in any case, what you've said there could equally be said of Gary Mitchell.
So you at least acknowledge the possibility that they might do this, then? I guess that's something, at least.
-MMoM
One thing we've learned over the years, is that the Federation is a persistent bunch. I don't see a 'no trespassing' sign stopping them from their research and use of the network.
I can see them trying to explain a recasted Gary Mitchell as getting his powers from interaction with the galactic barrier, which is somehow a gateway to the Mycelium realm.
You seem to be forgetting (haha) "Remember Me" (TNG), which picked up directly from "Where No One Has Gone Before" (TNG) and in turn directly foreshadowed Wesley's ultimate fate in "Journey's End" (TNG). The Traveler appeared and was a significant connecting thread in all three. He had also been mentioned in between, in "Coming Of Age" (TNG) and "Time Squared" (TNG)—even though he wasn't involved in either at all, they deliberately sought to remind us of his existence. That's the exact opposite of "one and done."
Nonsense. Stamets is at present utterly unique in his understanding and ability to make any practical use of the network, and this has proven unsustainable even for him. It was only accomplished through means that no other species has yet been shown to be aware of. It could well take a millennium for anyone else to duplicate the technology. (And for all we know the Picard project will show them trying and failing! Also, for all we know, Season Two of DSC will show us that this subspace realm is ruled by beings who will ultimately prevent anyone from ours ever accessing it again! Any number of things could happen here...)
And in any case, what you've said there could equally be said of Gary Mitchell.
So you at least acknowledge the possibility that they might do this, then? I guess that's something, at least.
-MMoM
I always assume they are gonna pull it in line. The more they have to pull, the Shonkier it gets though.
Gary Mitchell is the definition a one and done. TOS has more of those than any other series.
He’s the pilot one and done. In the pilot.
Yes, I forgot the Traveller turns up in Remember Me, but that’s because it didn’t feel so much about the travel elements etc. Consciousness affect reality in various ways isn’t the hugest issue. All of Wesley’s stuff makes sense, sat alongside stuff like Q etc.
Making the whole multiverse into one thing...
It’s like they decided to borrow from the most unpopular scene, in the most unpopular film, of the Star Wars trilogy. While borrowing the Force in general. It’s genuinely out of step with Trek, because every ounce of the federations manpower should go into using the drive...it doesn’t matter what they fail in the meantime, because instant time/space travel negates them ever missing it. In fact it doesn’t matter how long it takes to research, because once it’s done, they can go back and give themselves the research, and it won’t even create a paradox, because the damn thing underpins every single universe there is or was or will be. And it’s ‘crazy hippy stuff’ because now, literally everything and every place and every time in the universe is just one thing happening all at once. Let’s not forget only special humans can be modified to navigate it. And this is all happening in the 23rd century.
Of course, change it’s name to protomatter, you can stick it in same box as the genesis torpedo, because they’re gonna find out it’s all unstable and destroying the universe...or red matter eruptions are, hence Spock hearing the call...but...it’s just damn silly. Trek grew out of its ‘any old shit will do’ stage, more or less, in 1979. Most of SF was at that point anyway. DSC in some areas starts looking like Treks midlife crisis. It will buy a Ferrari soon. One powered on mushrooms.
If you can sum a macguffin up as ‘go anywhere anywhen mushroom drive’ it’s both silly sounding and premise breaking.
And the worst thing?
They ripped it off from Voyager in the first place. Old sporetastic banjo man. Most of the love in crowd on DSC aren’t so fond of its DNA source. DSC is justa ton of Voyager painted up. And you can bet it inherited its parents reset button, even if it got none of its charm or common sense.
I remember watching "Where No Man has Gone Before" and it was like the second TOS episode I was and I had no knowledge of the show otherwise, so when Mitchell died I was like "but he can't die, he's a main character", assuming that being Kirk's best friend made him a main character who was around in all episodes before that. Good times
And was worse for it, from an overall perspective. It lost its sense of fun and adventure. If Discovery had that sense of fun and adventure, I could easily forgive its other flaws. Instead, it plays very much like 24th century Trek, where it takes itself and its subject matter way too seriously.
It's that BSG TV show. Just because it was popular every other sci fi franchise tries to copy it and they just come off as wrong. Stargate tried to copy it with Universe and I couldn't even get 9 episodes into that.
BSG had a least a few likeable characters. Not every one was a asshole.
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