“Jean-Luc Picard is back”: will new Picard show eclipse Discovery?

[Grendelsbayne]

Netflix never considered Daredevil as a flagship to start a streaming series, House of Cards was. And even that series had a chance to crawl and then walk before the company fully launch another stream of original series by the company. Convention is to allow a new series to grow, and not chop its knees from under it, and then launch another show which will carry the same surname. The Netflix Marvel series was sold as a package, I doubt this was the case at CBS because they would have mentioned it while promoting Discovery.

This is shaping up to be another civil war between Trekfans (Deep Space Nine vs. Voyager) after TNG went off the air. It doesn't show a lot of confidence in the Studio for Discovery when they trump up another series based upon a Trek Legend. Whatever some people are claiming most viewers love DISCO, CBS-- based on their rapid purging-- is implying this is not true. They're breaking the purse to dip into that old well again to something that was widely considered was successful. fireproof78, come on, it's not as if CBS granted a spin-off for DISCO, for whatever it's worth--it appears CBS is going back to the future.

Adding more Trek content to a streaming service is highly unlikely to result in 'chopping DSC's knees from under it'. Streaming does not follow the same patterns as broadcast tv. You can have more than one show of the same source coexist without overwhelming people. In fact, it's arguably better to have more than one show, because it makes people feel like they're getting more value for their money (it's the same subscription either way) and it makes it less tempting for people to subscribe for a minimum period of time, binge and then immediately unsubscribe.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Sometimes when people say they wish a show would be canned I don't always know if they are being literal or if that is just a a figure of speech to show how much they didn't like it.

Jason

Its a figure of speech.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Adding more Trek content to a streaming service is highly unlikely to result in 'chopping DSC's knees from under it'. Streaming does not follow the same patterns as broadcast tv. You can have more than one show of the same source coexist without overwhelming people. In fact, it's arguably better to have more than one show, because it makes people feel like they're getting more value for their money (it's the same subscription either way) and it makes it less tempting for people to subscribe for a minimum period of time, binge and then immediately unsubscribe.

Really??? So how many new Trek shows do you think the studio should or can produce in order to keep CBS Access relevant? There has to be some sort of checks and balances?

 

[TrickyDickie]

I hope it not only eclipses Discovery but I hope It helps in lower Discoverys ratings so that its canceled after the 3rd season at the most.

Is there anything else that we can possibly do to express our most heartfelt and humble appreciation for your most beneficent and gracious granting of a third season?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Really??? So how many new Trek shows do you think the studio should or can produce in order to keep CBS Access relevant? There has to be some sort of checks and balances?

Not really. As much as the market allows is pretty much the rule.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Is there anything else that we can possibly do to express our most heartfelt and humble appreciation for your most beneficent and gracious granting of a third season?

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*This is the new Converse 'Upchuck Taylor' version, by the way....

I'm going to assume that you just meant that as a general comment about "licking his boots", but the photo of the woman licking another person's shoes is all kinds of problematic from a sexism standpoint, so I removed it. Please be more conscious about what message you're sending with certain images and text in the future, please.

 

[The Lensman]

SPS even said if himself when he announced it, it will be “different” than TNG and the TNG movies. When we see the first teaser and it looks and feels like DSC and the JJverse, hell will freeze over, the boycotts and SJW Picard memes will flow, and the hate will be as palpable as ever. And oh sweet god, the first time Picard thinks back and mentions reading about the adventures of Michael Burnham at the Academy, the internet will break. And I’ll still be there in awe watching my beloved Trek getting a new lease on life, when 10 years ago I thought it was dead forever. Seriously, I can’t wait.

It's not going to be the TNG they remember. Period. It will be to TNG what TMP was to the original Star Trek. It will have a familiar face or two, but the world that it's set in is going to be massively updated to reflect a 2018 vision of the future, not a 1987 or 1997 one. And this was always going to be the case regardless of who writes it or who produces it. They're not making this show to assuage the butt hurt some fans feel over Discovery, they're making it to appeal to a wider audience in order to generate revenue. Most younger people have probably never seen an episode of TNG. In fact Stewart's biggest claim to fame in the minds of the youth of today is as the guy who played Prof. X in the first three X-Men movies and Logan. They aren't as nostalgic for Picard as the people two steps away from middle age are.

But thankfully Discovery was successful enough for them to decide on doing more Trek.

Really??? So how many new Trek shows do you think the studio should or can produce in order to keep CBS Access relevant? There has to be some sort of checks and balances?

CBS All Access provides access to over 7500 episodes of TV shows.

It doesn't need Star Trek to be "relevant". Anyone thinking it does needs to get out of the very small echo chamber of Trekkie fandom.

 

[TrickyDickie]

I'm going to assume that you just meant that as a general comment about "licking his boots", but the photo of the woman licking another person's shoes is all kinds of problematic from a sexism standpoint, so I removed it. Please be more conscious about what message you're sending with certain images and text in the future, please.

It was an image from a Google search for "groveling". That it involved 2 people of the same sex and not opposites seemed like a reasonable inference that it was not sexist. However, it is easily changed and I will do so.

 

[jaime]

It's not going to be the TNG they remember. Period. It will be to TNG what TMP was to the original Star Trek. It will have a familiar face or two, but the world that it's set in is going to be massively updated to reflect a 2018 vision of the future, not a 1987 or 1997 one. And this was always going to be the case regardless of who writes it or who produces it. They're not making this show to assuage the butt hurt some fans feel over Discovery, they're making it to appeal to a wider audience in order to generate revenue. Most younger people have probably never seen an episode of TNG. In fact Stewart's biggest claim to fame in the minds of the youth of today is as the guy who played Prof. X in the first three X-Men movies and Logan. They aren't as nostalgic for Picard as the people two steps away from middle age are.

But thankfully Discovery was successful enough for them to decide on doing more Trek.



CBS All Access provides access to over 7500 episodes of TV shows.

It doesn't need Star Trek to be "relevant". Anyone thinking it does needs to get out of the very small echo chamber of Trekkie fandom.

It ain’t us old folk posting facepalm memes. Probably not us making it trend on Netflix. And possibly only some of us watching it on the two channels it airs on daily here the UK.

 

[BillJ]

It doesn't show a lot of confidence in the Studio for Discovery when they trump up another series based upon a Trek Legend.

I'm not a Discovery fan, but your wrong here. The Picard series is an acknowledgement that Discovery is a success and CBS wants to extend that success by bringing in more shows that will appeal to those viewers.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm not a Discovery fan, but your wrong here. The Picard series is an acknowledgement that Discovery is a success and CBS wants to extend that success by bringing in more shows that will appeal to those viewers.

Yep. They're gonna do was many as they can, just like General Mills and Cheerios. At the store today I saw four types of Cheerios. And wasn't because original Cheerios weren't selling.

 

[Jadeb]

Yep. They're gonna do was many as they can, just like General Mills and Cheerios. At the store today I saw four types of Cheerios. And wasn't because original Cheerios weren't selling.

Well, at least as many are needed to keep people subscribed all year. I'd guess we're looking at maybe 30-40 episodes a year -- they can space out the breaks so that none is long enough to make it worthwhile to cancel. If that's what we end up with, it's not all that much more than an old-fashioned TV season, so I don't think there's a lot of reason to worry about oversaturation.

 

[Mudd]

I'm not a Discovery fan, but your wrong here. The Picard series is an acknowledgement that Discovery is a success and CBS wants to extend that success by bringing in more shows that will appeal to those viewers.

Somewhat.

 

[BillJ]

...so I don't think there's a lot of reason to worry about oversaturation.

Depends on whether or not they fall into a rut after a year or two.

 

[TrickyDickie]

Yep. They're gonna do was many as they can, just like General Mills and Cheerios. At the store today I saw four types of Cheerios. And wasn't because original Cheerios weren't selling.

They are actually up to 13 varieties of Cheerios now, and counting....

 

[Nerys Myk]

They are actually up to 13 varieties of Cheerios now, and counting....

 

[TrickyDickie]

It has become a big trend. Oreos, Pringles, Chex mix, Mountain Dew, etc.

 

[tomalak301]

I'm not a Discovery fan, but your wrong here. The Picard series is an acknowledgement that Discovery is a success and CBS wants to extend that success by bringing in more shows that will appeal to those viewers.

The one thing I got from the entire announcement was the want to extend the brand to get people to keep All Access. It's a wise economic decision and I think it can only help Discovery rather than hurt it. The two shows can go hand in hand. It worked for TNG>DS9 and then DS9>Voyager. I almost look at this as CBS wanting to bring back Trek's golden era from the mid-90s and I'm all for it.

 

[jaime]

Well. Diversity sells...

 

[Refuge]

Well. Diversity sells...

I still can't wrap my head around packaging a show representing diversity to a targeted paying market. The non Access or Netflix crowd, well you lot that used to be the given Trek audience, pay up or shut up. You'd think diversity would be a message to get out to even poorer people.

However as you say it's what sells, it's a product.