‘Star Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

[Devon]

The idea that people deserve to be insulted and cussed at because they didn't like a movie is disgusting.

Exactly right. And those very fans should know better than to act that way toward the creative team or other fans in general.

Which of course didn't happen at all* in the incident that set Orci off. (Does reminding someone of inconvenient facts count as cussing them out or insulting them? Mileage apparently varies. )

* Not that it would constitute an excuse if it did, mind you. It's just that its not having happened, there's even less excuse.

....you missed the point entirely......

 

[BigJake]

Yeah, well... double dumbass on you.

 

[Belz...]

I don't mean that he's literally psychotic, of course.

Well, you did say:

Yeah, that sums it up well. You do not release a piece of media to the public and then start cussing out the people who don't like your work. That's psychotic.

That sounded sincere.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

I don't mean that he's literally psychotic, of course.

Well, you did say:

Yeah, that sums it up well. You do not release a piece of media to the public and then start cussing out the people who don't like your work. That's psychotic.

That sounded sincere.

More like hyperbole.

 

[JarodRussell]

Geez, are you guys really bitching about the choice of a word? Talk about diverting from the actual topic.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

"As I love to say, there is a reason why I get to write the movies, and you don’t."

Is it that frankly most of the fan ideas for Star Trek are not only fanwanky crap, but sometimes dull fanwanky crap

Exactly! They're usually filled with plot points that don't make sense, some of the crew acting out of character, there's almost always some object or character from previous Trek that they just can't help bringing back, often they have some hokey new technology...

Just like the last movie, you might say.

Nah, if the last movie was like any of the crap fan ideas they never would have left the academy, or it would have been about the Klingons in Klingon with subtitles, or it would have been a Nemesis sequel that would have crammed every Trek character ever into it, or it would have been some uber Enterprise with fanwanky tech in another galaxy captained by either Picard's nephew's cousin's grandson's tribble's college roommate's son or just some random alien character, or just some random guy who's crew is basically a checklist of ethnic groups and alien races.

Plus unlike most fan ideas Orci and Abrams have an actual plot in their stuff and actually know what freaking stories they want to tell.

Most fan idea's for stuff usually is a bunch of Trek sounding talking points rather than an actually plot or really any info on the stories they want to tell

 

[The Doctor]

The idea that people deserve to be insulted and cussed at because they didn't like a movie is disgusting.

Exactly right. And those very fans should know better than to act that way toward the creative team or other fans in general.

Which of course didn't happen at all* in the incident that set Orci off. (Does reminding someone of inconvenient facts count as cussing them out or insulting them? Mileage apparently varies. )

* Not that it would constitute an excuse if it did, mind you. It's just that its not having happened, there's even less excuse.

You're wrong, of course. Orci maintained a constant presence on the TrekMovie comment threads and was consistently belittled and insulted during his tenure there. Holding up the proverbial straw that broke his back as 'no big deal' while ignoring the mountain of shit is more than a little disingenuous.

But I really expect nothing less, since you've got an Enterprise-sized (the new big one, not the small little one) hole in your perspective when it comes to all things Abrams-Trek.

Now, he should never have descended into the nerd ragefest that was the TrekMovie comment threads in the first place, but that's another discussion. Every writer/producer can take lessons in fan engagement from Ronald D. Moore. His weekly podcasts during BSG were a fascinating look inside the creative process without the inevitable back-and-forth banality that seems to always ensue when writer/producers engage the fans directly on twitter or in forums.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Is it that frankly most of the fan ideas for Star Trek are not only fanwanky crap, but sometimes dull fanwanky crap

Exactly! They're usually filled with plot points that don't make sense, some of the crew acting out of character, there's almost always some object or character from previous Trek that they just can't help bringing back, often they have some hokey new technology...

Just like the last movie, you might say.

Nah, if the last movie was like any of the crap fan ideas they never would have left the academy, or it would have been about the Klingons in Klingon with subtitles, or it would have been a Nemesis sequel that would have crammed every Trek character ever into it, or it would have been some uber Enterprise with fanwanky tech in another galaxy captained by either Picard's nephew's cousin's grandson's tribble's college roommate's son or just some random alien character, or just some random guy who's crew is basically a checklist of ethnic groups and alien races.

Plus unlike most fan ideas Orci and Abrams have an actual plot in their stuff and actually know what freaking stories they want to tell.

Most fan idea's for stuff usually is a bunch of Trek sounding talking points rather than an actually plot or really any info on the stories they want to tell

I dunno, the two films had plenty of fanfic stuff. I don't regard that as a terrible thing, as I thought ENT pulled off some good stuff on its final season. It's HOW it was done in the new films I have problems with. I don't like the idea of future Spock being in these new films, but I'm open to it if done right.

 

[BillJ]

Holding up the proverbial straw that broke his back as 'no big deal' while ignoring the mountain of shit is more than a little disingenuous.

But I really expect nothing less, since you've got an Enterprise-sized (the new big one, not the small little one) hole in your perspective when it comes to all things Abrams-Trek.

Shhh... BigJake doesn't think anyone notices that.

 

[Ovation]

Exactly right. And those very fans should know better than to act that way toward the creative team or other fans in general.

Which of course didn't happen at all* in the incident that set Orci off. (Does reminding someone of inconvenient facts count as cussing them out or insulting them? Mileage apparently varies. )

* Not that it would constitute an excuse if it did, mind you. It's just that its not having happened, there's even less excuse.

You're wrong, of course. Orci maintained a constant presence on the TrekMovie comment threads and was consistently belittled and insulted during his tenure there. Holding up the proverbial straw that broke his back as 'no big deal' while ignoring the mountain of shit is more than a little disingenuous.

This is EXACTLY what I meant up thread. Wish I'd been clearer. Thanks.

 

[YARN]

Which of course didn't happen at all* in the incident that set Orci off. (Does reminding someone of inconvenient facts count as cussing them out or insulting them? Mileage apparently varies. )

* Not that it would constitute an excuse if it did, mind you. It's just that its not having happened, there's even less excuse.

You're wrong, of course. Orci maintained a constant presence on the TrekMovie comment threads and was consistently belittled and insulted during his tenure there. Holding up the proverbial straw that broke his back as 'no big deal' while ignoring the mountain of shit is more than a little disingenuous.

This is EXACTLY what I meant up thread. Wish I'd been clearer. Thanks.

His mistake was in thinking that he could or should mingle with fans in a threaded discussion with anonymous commenters. Worse yet, he would often defend nuTrek against various criticisms (i.e., he would not just say "hey" and offer light observations, but engage in justification) which is precisely how you get into internet arguments.

 

[Mr Speck]

Only one question matters here: Will the film be satisfactory?
The answer, of course, is: We can't possibly know until we've seen it, no matter who makes it. Until that moment, it's potentially both a failure and a success. It's basically Schrödinger's cat.

That's why I won't waste one second worrying
about it.

 

[BigJake]

You're wrong, of course.

Your bravado outruns the strength of your argument, of course. But I'm used to that.

Now, he should never have descended into. . .the TrekMovie comment threads in the first place

This is the part of your comment that makes actual sense. Particularly if an incident that mild was going to be "the straw that [ostensibly] broke the camel's back," that's a "camel" that is not suited to interacting with fans on forums. And also, as I said earlier, given that the Trekmovie.com environment is so positively thick with boosters and fans of Bob Orci as to make the "straw that broke the camel's back" defense fairly unconvincing to put it very, very mildly*.

(* There's also the part, of course, where Big Man Bob implies that blowing up at the so-called "morons" is a regular occurrence for him, which if true is even dumber and less excusable. But I haven't troubled to search TrekMovie's archives to find out how true it is.)

Every writer/producer can take lessons in fan engagement from Ronald D. Moore.

On this, though, we quite agree.

 

[Mudd]

Orci's fine. I've got no problems with his telling the nerds to fuck off - it might shake a few of 'em awake.

The next Trek movie should be titled in honor of Shatner: "Star Trek The Final Fucking Frontier."

 

[Saul]

I'd rather see a director with more experience take this on. Especially one who has directed action films before. Not a fan of Oric's writing anyway so I'd rather he have less involvement.

Plus unlike most fan ideas Orci and Abrams have an actual plot in their stuff and actually know what freaking stories they want to tell.

That makes about as much sense as their plots...

 

[BigJake]

Orci's fine. I've got no problems with his telling the nerds to fuck off - it might shake a few of 'em awake.

If he really wants to seize the moral high ground from those nasssty, nasssty nerdses, he should learn from the master.

 

[JarodRussell]

Anyone who makes the distinction between professional writer and fanboy is likely to be wrong anyways. Fans can be anything, even writers and directors. So the idea "fan vs. pro" is a fallacy to begin with.

 

[BigJake]

Plus unlike most fan ideas Orci and Abrams have an actual plot in their stuff and actually know what freaking stories they want to tell.

That makes about as much sense as their plots...

In all fairness to the Stigmeister, that's Hartzilla2007 you're quoting there.

 

[The Doctor]

Plus unlike most fan ideas Orci and Abrams have an actual plot in their stuff and actually know what freaking stories they want to tell.

That makes about as much sense as their plots...

In all fairness to the Stigmeister, that's Hartzilla2007 you're quoting there.

Yeah. I don't think I'd ever claim that Orci had a good sense of plot.

 

[thumbtack]

a Nemesis sequel that would have crammed every Trek character ever into it

Post-Nemesis has to be my favorite fanboy suggestion. 12.2 million opening weekend guaranteed.

You know, Zack Snyder claims the Industry has stopped listening to fanboy opinion altogether. Orci being the frontrunner to direct anything, would, obviously, confirm that as true.