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Riker and Deanna Troi were supposed to be "imzadi" soul mates, right?

Amazing how much misogyny can spool out of such a short post.

Firstly aren't all the aliens in Trek weird? We gonna label Klingons weird, Vulcans weird, Ferengi weird? Seems redundant.

And everything you said equally applies to Troi. You could argue for her more so, as Imzadi is a Betazoid construct.

The reality: it was a plot device for the early episodes, largely forgotten thereafter.
 
Dee was 30 to 40 years away from reaching her sexual stride.

It would have been a waste of resources to use up poor Will like a leaking fountain pen, as a young girl, in her 20s.
 
Crazy 4 Xmas Lights said:
Sometimes it seems to me like the writers couldn't decide what to do with those two.
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ananta said:
Did anyone else get the impression they were “friends with benefits” at times during TNG’s run? Episodes like “Ménage a Troi” suddenly have them very touchy feely and I’m sure on more than one occasion we saw them cuddling up together.
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I have a friend who is exactly like Riker and Troi: they had a deep prior relationship that, for whatever reason, didn't work out. But they still think the world of each other. They're best friends who sometimes sleep together in between relationships. It's comfortable for them. And, yup, sometimes there's a tiny bit of tension when one of them meets someone, but they're still friends who could still wind up together. Or not.

But having known this friend for awhile really helped me understand Riker and Troi better.
 
I apologise. It seems I have created great DISCOURSE from saying shut up.

I mean it's such a light term. It's silly. It's innocuous. Picard shouted "shut up Wesley" on regular occasion and no harm was felt on a universal-rated show. But here... well. Its's now 12R or maybe a 15.

We can allow misogyny. And transphobia,. And blatant homophobia with talk of "flag waving" if you dared defend a woman (funny that, gays defending the womens). How fucking dare we.

But we're in Trump's world now, and "shut up" and we've crossed the line.

So I apologise humbly. Gotta work on my ESTA credentials.
 
ananta said:
Did anyone else get the impression they were “friends with benefits” at times during TNG’s run? Episodes like “Ménage a Troi” suddenly have them very touchy feely and I’m sure on more than one occasion we saw them cuddling up together.
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maybe, but maybe it was one of those things where the underlying feelings never went away, and as such those feelings manifested in certain situations. being back on betazed in a flower garden for example..sometimes the perfect storm like that happens in a moment, and then afterwards, pragmatism kicks in and you think "What am I doing??", and things go back to normal
 
IMHO the more interesting question to ask is, while we know Riker had some trysts with alien interests, did we ever see him showing romantic interest in anyone else on the crew? (Apart from Ro Laren when he was amnesiac or Beverly when inhabited by Odan)

We saw Geordi, O'Brien, Picard, Wesley, Ogawa, & Data etc... all dating people aboard ship, but I've been racking my brain to recall a time where Will was shown dating or cavorting with anyone else aboard there. Likewise, apart from that alien influenced stuff in Man of The People, I can't recall Troi ever dating anyone from the crew, until Worf. She too had a few outside romances spring up, but neither of them seemed to date from within the pool of over a thousand folks aboard ship, on long-term assignment, surrounded by them daily

That's significant, given others were routinely doing so. That they didn't, presents another implication that they weren't regularly looking about for coupling there, outside one another, even if their connection was being in some way curtailed.
 
Mojochi said:
IMHO the more interesting question to ask is, while we know Riker had some trysts with alien interests, did we ever see him showing romantic interest in anyone else on the crew? (Apart from Ro Laren when he was amnesiac or Beverly when inhabited by Odan)

We saw Geordi, O'Brien, Picard, Wesley, Ogawa, & Data etc... all dating people aboard ship, but I've been racking my brain to recall a time where Will was shown dating or cavorting with anyone else aboard there. Likewise, apart from that alien influenced stuff in Man of The People, I can't recall Troi ever dating anyone from the crew, until Worf. She too had a few outside romances spring up, but neither of them seemed to date from within the pool of over a thousand folks aboard ship, on long-term assignment, surrounded by them daily

That's significant, given others were routinely doing so. That they didn't, presents another implication that they weren't regularly looking about for coupling there, outside one another, even if their connection was being in some way curtailed.
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yes he DID....but she was a Hologram....;)
 
Mojochi said:
IMHO the more interesting question to ask is, while we know Riker had some trysts with alien interests, did we ever see him showing romantic interest in anyone else on the crew? (Apart from Ro Laren when he was amnesiac or Beverly when inhabited by Odan)
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To use a rather colloquial term, perhaps he didn't want to shit on his own doorstep.

He wanted to get up to captain and romantic distractions may have not been good for that goal.

He was second in command, so had a position of power and authority - it could lead to many issues.

And the writers may have been trying to balance the line of making him a bit of a lady's man like Kirk, but without seeming like a predator for his crew members. So thus he had his 'romance episodes'.

But really relationships they didn't dabble with much at all. Even the Picard/Beverly thing was a lot of teasing to the viewers and not much else.
 
Michael said:
I’m not sure why I even bother, but here goes …


Why are you singling out him, considering Deanna was shown to have a few male encounters during the run of the show as well. :confused:

As for the nature of their relationship: as they mentioned in a couple of episodes, even though they meant a lot to each other, they allowed themselves to have relationships with other people as well.


What an odd thing to say. Pray tell, what was “weird” about Soren? Also, the major plot point of the episode is that she identifies as female, so there‘s really no reason to put it in quotes.
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It's not an odd thing to say. An alien being that is truly non-gender specific is strange, at least when compared to our species.
 
Riley said:
It's not an odd thing to say. An alien being that is truly non-gender specific is strange, at least when compared to our species.
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Still an odd thing to say, because Soren was not “non-gender specific”; she was female. Her species had just one biological sex, with a seeming majority of them identifying as what we would call non-binary. But still some members of the J’naii identified as being of a male or female gender (gender ≠ sex).

Note that there’s intersex people in our real world, which may be the closest thing in humans to a “one-sex” species. Intersex people are estimated to make up to 1.7% of the population, so roughly 140 million people. So not really all that “strange” or “weird” if you ask me. But there’s also multiple species of animals with just one sex or both sexes, all in our real world . So really, Soren – basically an intersex person who identifies as female – is not strange at all.
 
urrutiap said:
each of them were supposed to be their imzadi for each of them.

yet Riker was going around flirting and trying to hook up with other random strange alien women including the weird non gender "female' alien
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I've said it before. If NextGen were made today, Riker and Troi would be part of a non-monogamous polycule. I think they were, but the mores of television production in the 1980s wouldn't allow for that.
 
Allyn Gibson said:
I've said it before. If NextGen were made today, Riker and Troi would be part of a non-monogamous polycule. I think they were, but the mores of television production in the 1980s wouldn't allow for that.
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Picard was made today and they were in a monogamous marriage.
 
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