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Spoilers Alien Earth (2025 Hulu show)

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The elevator face-off between Kirsh and Morrow was more riveting

This was such a nonsensical scene. It was was forced because the writers wanted a Cyborg-Synth scene.

Morrow was 65 years away from Earth. He is back for less than a week. He spent most of that time in the crashed Maginot/high-rise and wandering through the city. How does he know anything about modern Earth? How does he know which Synth models are current and which are obsolete and what Synths want? Did he read up on that in one day?
Why is Yutani relying on him to retrieve the species, despite that he is a complete stranger to modern Earth and has no knowledge of modern technology, security, and tactics?
 
the multi-decade-long journey of the Maginot is ridiculous.
I have to agree here. I tried to push that detail into the back of my head but it is ridiculous and doesn't really serve the story. It actually hinders it because it opens up such fallacies in logic. The more I think about it the less sense it makes. Like, if the ship is decades old then why does the technology look the same as the Nostromo?

Morrow was 65 years away from Earth. He is back for less than a week. He spent most of that time in the crashed Maginot/high-rise and wandering through the city. How does he know anything about modern Earth? How does he know which Synth models are current and which are obsolete and what Synths want? Did he read up on that in one day?
I mentioned something similar a few weeks back. Morrow definitely is not someone who seems out of his time and is accepted willy nilly by Weyland-Yutani to do dirty work despite being pretty much a complete stranger to them.
 
Marrow down loaded all the data to his I Self, so apparently Yutani has all that information? Like where they went?
They ever going to say Where they got the Xeno eggs? and if its LV 427.. why would they let it be colonized? Not making much sense atm.
 
Hawley specifically said the only Canon he was worried about was Alien (and partially Aliens), but if this show does stuff that doesn't even match up with those movies, it only reinforces my stance,that we,need to treat this IP like the Transformers IP: as,a bunch of self-contained sub-franchises.
Yeah, it's kind of hard to disagree with that now.
 
As I see it, we've currently got 3 Alien sub-franchises:
1. The 6 Alien films (Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Alien: Resurrection, Alien: Covenant, and Alien: Romulus) and Prometheus
2. Alien Earth
3. The Alien vs Predator movies and, by extension, the rest of the Predator movies
 
I mentioned something similar a few weeks back. Morrow definitely is not someone who seems out of his time and is accepted willy nilly by Weyland-Yutani to do dirty work despite being pretty much a complete stranger to them.

This is how all TV shows operate. If your name is in the main credits, you get to do everything (unless your name is Anthony Montgomery). That's how the crime scene forensics expert gets into shootouts and car chases and also interrogates the suspects.
 
So I guess The Eye isn't so friendly after all, and it's looking like she's very intelligent, and manipulative. The way she has her sheep just standing and watching everything going on around her is seriously creepy.
It's a little scary how casual Eins and Boy were about wipping poor Nibs mind.
I'm sad to see Arthur go, he seemed like he really was a decent guy.
I'm very curious what exactly Kirsh's agenda is, because he's obviously up to something since he's not reporting Slightly and Morrow's plotting to Boy.
 
I have to agree here. I tried to push that detail into the back of my head but it is ridiculous and doesn't really serve the story. It actually hinders it because it opens up such fallacies in logic. The more I think about it the less sense it makes. Like, if the ship is decades old then why does the technology look the same as the Nostromo?
Maybe state of the art 65 years ago is being repurposed for ore hauling before finally giving out on the scrap heap? I can kinda buy the Nostromo being decades old. Plus the Nostromo does feel "big" for just a crew of seven, having Ash's science section, etc...

Hell, maybe along the 65 year mission the Maginot zigged and zagged, meeting up with resupply ships along the way. Which brought them rebranded Weland-Yutanai post merger uniforms and helped rebrand the ship? Considering how over the top some real life companies go with rebranding, that's at least kinda believable.

Aside from the characters being so fucking stupid because the plot demands it, the hardest thing to believe is the Ice Age films existing in the Alien universe when they should have had cyberpunk Earth by the 1990s.
 
This was the first episode where the dumbness of the writing really bothered me.

Morrow knows that Kavalier sabotaged the Maginot. He no doubt would have told Yutani this. So why didn't she bring this up in the arbitration? She should literally have a recording of Kavalier talking to the engineer thanks to Marrow downloading the logs, surely she should have used this as leverage? It's really weird that she didn't!

Why did Dame just let Wendy talk to Nibs right after her memory was wiped? Surely they should have kept Nibs isolated to see how she'd be after the mind-wipe?

The stuff in the lab I can kind of excuse as Kavalier gave Kirsh complete autonomy to run the lab, and Kirsh was watching as everything went to shit and did nothing. But it's still silly that security wasn't better.

Were Dame and Arthur the only scientists Kavalier had? Surely he would have brought in specialists to study the alien lifeforms? He's down to one scientist in his whole operation now? I guess he relies on Kirish for a lot...
 
Best part of the episode was seeing different juvenile forms of the Xeno.

The worst part was the lack of security/staffing/protocols/etc, but then that may have been explained away by Kirsh at the end. Maybe. Could be a swerve or misdirect. If he really is a synth (could he maybe be a cyborg out for revenge against Kavalier), why would he betray Prodigy? It doesn't seem like money would be an answer.

Why in the world would Dame Sylvia let Wendy talk to Nibs immediately after erasing her memory? Is it just because the plot wanted Wendy to figure out that she needed to get away from Prodigy? I wonder if Dame Sylvia wants Wendy to leave, just like her husband Arthur.

And speaking of Arthur Sylvia, nice job buddy! We can understand that Tootles would screw up the lab integrity, since he really is just a kid after all. But a smart guy like Arthur really should have known better, he should have been slamming every single alarm klaxon he could find. Especially after wising up and trying to get Joe and Wendy off the island. Maybe he used all his brains for that, and had none left. We clearly saw a video monitor showing Tootles lying on the floor while Joe and Arthur were having their conversation, but instead of looking at the live video feed of the lab to see if Tootles was there, he had to go down and look in person.

I'm sure you all noticed that when he finally picked up the phone at the end to call for help, it was very old-school-looking and corded. The design and aesthetics of this show are definitely a choice. Related to the posts in this thread over the past few days about travel times and technology and the like, I wonder if stuff like a corded phone and ridiculously old school computer monitors are a bit of a message to the viewers to not sweat the minute details and the canon and other technological questions. This show called Alien Earth actually takes place on an alien earth, not an earth we can immediately recognize.
 
This nasty thing from DNF

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Hell, maybe along the 65 year mission the Maginot zigged and zagged, meeting up with resupply ships along the way. Which brought them rebranded Weland-Yutanai post merger uniforms and helped rebrand the ship? Considering how over the top some real life companies go with rebranding, that's at least kinda believable.
Yeah, but we know they were already Weyland-Yutani by the time Morrow's daughter died at age 18.
kitik said:
I wonder if stuff like a corded phone and ridiculously old school computer monitors are a bit of a message to the viewers to not sweat the minute details and the canon and other technological questions.
Just like in Legion.
 
I thought that was very good but get peoples points about some of the writing not being as solid here.

Kavalier gets worse by the episode. I hoped based on the first couple of episodes that he was going to be a more nuanced genius/billionaire, a jerk yes, and probably an antagonist, but he gets more moustache twirling by the episode.

I can't figure out if Kirsh is actually working for someone else (presumably one of the other three companies) or is it that David level of curiosity overriding all other protocols?

The flying bugs were nasty, Tootles was pretty stupid but, he is just a kid (which isn't really an excuse, it seems even Kirsh is fooled by them appearing adult).

I don't know why they'd put Nibs back into circulation and not expect people to talk about all the crazy shit that's gone down in the last few days!

So when the shit goes down (if it isn't already going down) I guess we're going to have two xenomorphs running around (if not more given the eggs are in play now)?

What are the chances that Wendy's Xeno faces off against the one gestating in Arthur to protect her? I wonder if that xenomorph somehow thinks Wendy is its queen?

I do wonder whether anyone is getting off the island alive, a couple at best. I can't seen Wendy going willingly with Joe.
 
It's interesting that the FTL issue has been raised because prior to this episode I was close to posting a question about that because I've never been sure how fast ships in the Alien universe are supposed to go. It's never really flagged in the early films, and the impression given is that these are slow, long haul ships, certainly in Alien*. It's probably one of those things best left nebulous and unsaid and Hawley probably shouldn't have had Kirsh say that, or at least he could have said she'd invent 'better FTL' or even 'true FTL' which would leave some room for manoeuvre.

*I get that LV426 is 39 light years away which implies even if Nostromo was a .99c ship it's journey time was akin to Maginot's which means Ripley probably should have been expecting for her daughter to be dead, or at least real old, by the time she got back!

At what point was it determined that LV426 was in the Zeta Reticuli system anyway?
 
Dialogue in the original movie, I think.

Starkers said:
It's probably one of those things best left nebulous and unsaid and Hawley probably shouldn't have had Kirsh say that, or at least he could have said she'd invent 'better FTL' or even 'true FTL' which would leave some room for manoeuvre.
I feel like there is still a bit of room, in that he could have meant better FTL.
 
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