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Mytran · Sep 24, 2022

yotsuya said:
And has anyone tried to scale Doug Drexler's cutaway?

Using the crewmen and doors I scaled it out to 1,420'6" feet long.
This gives 10' high ceilings and 21'6" long shuttles.
All measurements are approximate of course

@Toddard this is a fantastic project, I can't believe I've just stumbled across it now! :eek:

It's so great to see the art of @Jim Botaitis brought to life even more than the original deck plans.

blssdwlf · Sep 24, 2022

yotsuya said:
Yes it is just the two dimensions (length and diameter of the nacelle, but from that you can calculate the size of the rest of the ship based on the drawings. When you can instantly recognize the source of the dimension, you don't even really have to calculate it.

Just because the nacelle dimension coincidentally matches the TMOST Enterprise nacelle dimension doesn't make the rest the same. This "Pre-Disco Enterprise" variant displayed in Discovery S2E1 works out to an overall length of ~280m, width of ~117m and height of ~56m. She's smaller than the TMOST Enterprise.

Perhaps it was more than a coincidence that Stamets was obscuring the other dimensions?

So in the Disco/SNW grouping we have these Enterprise versions:
Pre-Disco Enterprise - shown on display with straight nacelle struts - 280m
Disco Enterprise - swept-back nacelle struts ???m
SNW Enterprise - swept-back nacelle struts with added windows on forward saucer edge - 442m?

yotsuya said:
But like I said, for Discovery and SNW, that display is in error. It does not match the CG visuals we see of the ship (straight pylons vs. angled) or the apparent scale of the CG work. But it is the first time to my knowledge that a specific and readable dimension of the NCC-1701 has appeared on screen. The next closest was in The Enterprise Incident where the drawing appeared with a scale and that same drawing was also in several printed sources at the same time making an accurate scaling possible. I just find it hilarious that it appeared in a series that has very specifically upscaled and redesigned the ship and when you see the entire screen, it is even more hilarious. I think technically that data may have appeared on screen before since those pages of the Tech Manual were used in various displays in Star Trek II and III, but the only thing large enough to be readable in that instance was the registry.

Discovery is just continuing the tradition of displaying a variant of the Enterprise on the computer screen which is different than the current Enterprise is in the episode. This was done in "The Enterprise Incident", "The Motion Picture", "The Search for Spock", etc.

YMMV

Professor Moriarty · Sep 25, 2022

I say just go with what works and fits the geometry we see onscreen, which is exactly what Jim and Toddard are doing. Until, that is, one of our heroes actually utters dialogue along the lines of “well after all, everyone knows the Enterprise is 288.65 meters long!” :mallory:

blssdwlf · Sep 25, 2022

Professor Moriarty said:
I say just go with what works and fits the geometry we see onscreen, which is exactly what Jim and Toddard are doing. Until, that is, one of our heroes actually utters dialogue along the lines of “well after all, everyone knows the Enterprise is 288.65 meters long!”

Exactly. No TOS episode has said or shown the dimensions of Kirk's TOS Enterprise.

Mytran · Sep 25, 2022

blssdwlf said:
Discovery is just continuing the tradition of displaying a variant of the Enterprise on the computer screen which is different than the current Enterprise is in the episode. This was done in "The Enterprise Incident", "The Motion Picture", "The Search for Spock", etc. YMMV

No doubt a security feature, to stop classified information from being obtained by whatever entity is trying to take over the ship that week :devil:

publiusr · Sep 25, 2022

If the saucer/secondary hull combo was 947 ft., what would the length be with nacelles?

Mytran · Sep 25, 2022

publiusr said:
If the saucer/secondary hull combo was 947 ft., what would the length be with nacelles?

Using the Casimiro orthos, I came up with an overall length of 1,315 feet if the combo hull was 947'

David cgc · Sep 25, 2022

Professor Moriarty said:
I say just go with what works and fits the geometry we see onscreen, which is exactly what Jim and Toddard are doing. Until, that is, one of our heroes actually utters dialogue along the lines of “well after all, everyone knows the Enterprise is 288.65 meters long!”

Even so, I’ve notice that the Halo rings from the Halo video games were retconned with a new design with a wider band a long time ago, but every official book and reference still uses the same figures calculated from the original, skinny model made for the first game.

blssdwlf · Sep 25, 2022

Mytran said:
No doubt a security feature, to stop classified information from being obtained by whatever entity is trying to take over the ship that week

It is very clever! That's why the Romulans didn't settle for copying schematics in "The Enterprise Incident" and patiently wanted to get the physical Enterprise as the schematics would've been out-of-date/inaccurate

publiusr · Sep 26, 2022

Mytran said:
Using the Casimiro orthos, I came up with an overall length of 1,315 feet if the combo hull was 947'

Thank you for that.
Very close to the JBOT prints here.

Now, I bet you could get Shaw’s AMT Enterprise to come out to 947…with the bridge rotated a few degrees.

http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/AMT_1966_project/1966_amt_enterprise.jpg
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/treknographics101/plans-of-the-amt-18-inch-enterprise-t64-s80.html

On the production-finished 11 footer, the bridge is tiny compared to the rest of the saucer. The AMT is very like FJ’s Constitution in that the bridge seems larger in relation to the saucer…just eyeballing.

So my ideal retcon chart would have NCC-1000s as the Conestoga class (AMT) with FJ’s booklet as Achernar upgrade…and the JBOT being “as built” something…

Mytran · Sep 26, 2022

publiusr said:
Thank you for that.
Very close to the JBOT prints here.

But even closer to the @gmd3d Enterprise. Astonishing coincidence!

gmd3d said:
If I ever rework my own Lightwave model I will scale it as you have, mine I scaled to 1311.5 feet,

I just want to add how much I really loved stumbling across your designs a few years ago. Based on the visuals in the episodes, a larger Enterprise has always made more sense to me and now I could see fully realised designs of what that might look like taken even further!

gmd3d · Sep 28, 2022

Mytran said:
But even closer to the @gmd3d Enterprise. Astonishing coincidence! I just want to add how much I really loved stumbling across your designs a few years ago. Based on the visuals in the episodes, a larger Enterprise has always made more sense to me and now I could see fully realised designs of what that might look like taken even further!

Thank you @Mytran, I really appreciate your comment.

Warped9 · Oct 1, 2022

Jim Botaitis said:
This was before I learned of the MASAO-Class starship and drew it using Illustrator.

All of which can be seen here:
http://www.jbot.ca/space/10ma.shtml

If you want to know where the Masao-class destroyer really comes from here it is: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/masao-class-destroyer.230122/

caveat_imperator · Oct 1, 2022

Warped9 said:
If you want to know where the Masao-class destroyer really comes from here it is: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/masao-class-destroyer.230122/

Aww, a few of the pics hosted on photobucket can't be downloaded.

Warped9 · Oct 1, 2022

Hard to believe I made that nine years ago.

caveat_imperator · Oct 1, 2022

Warped9 said:
Hard to believe I made that nine years ago.

It's still a great design, I think.

Forbin · Oct 2, 2022

And here's my styrene tribute to Warped9's Masao:
http://www.inpayne.com/models/trek/masao1.html
...which made, holy crap, 17 years ago??? :O

publiusr · Oct 3, 2022

Hard to imagine…

blssdwlf · Oct 3, 2022

Warped9 said:
Hard to believe I made that nine years ago.

My memory is foggy from that time but was it you, Masao or Forbin that came up with the flight deck extending from the B-C deck of the saucer?

Warped9 · Oct 3, 2022

Masao had the drawing on his Starfleet Museum websire. I saw it and fleshed it out (he still called it a Saladin-class destroyer). I called it the Masao class in recognition of his initial drawing. Then Forbin made a kitbash of it.

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