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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

It's also been documented that there can be a damaging psychological effect related to misgendering someone who is Transgender or Non-Binary by intentionally using the wrong pronouns or calling them by a name that doesn't match their true self-identity.
 
Ethros said:
Jesus, bit OTT. I had no idea Ezra Miller was anything of the sort until I saw this. Just some dude who played the Flash and was that prick kid in We Need To Talk About Kevin :lol:
I couldn't care less about a celeb/actors private life. Banning someone for not giving a f about that is ridiculous
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"They" are not some "dude"

It's just common courtesy for a person regardless of whether they're a celebrity or not.
 
Christopher said:
It's not their "private life," because it's about how they ask to be addressed and identified by other people, which is by definition a public matter. If I say I prefer to go by Christopher, nobody would say "I don't care, I'm gonna call you Chip instead." That would just be rude and petty. It's the most elementary norm of everyday courtesy to respect other people's choices for what they want to be called. That's no different for pronouns than it is for given names.
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I've had some IRL conversations on this and that's become my fallback plea to reluctant people. Like you see Ted Cruz getting up before a crowd and saying my pronouns are "Kiss my ass" yet his given name is Rafael.
 
Dee1891 said:
I won't be watching. Not just because of Miller, but also I would have been forced to watch a 70-something Michael Keaton play Batman after 30 years.
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I liked Keaton as Batman a lot, didn't like him basically bashing the films and other comic book/blockbuster films decades later for a comeback in Birdman. And after that doing Homecoming and trying to reprise Batman feels even sadder and more opportunistic.
 
suarezguy said:
I liked Keaton as Batman a lot, didn't like him basically bashing the films and other comic book/blockbuster films decades later for a comeback in Birdman. And after that doing Homecoming and trying to reprise Batman feels even sadder and more opportunistic.
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Hm? First off, Keaton didn't write or direct Birdman, he's just the guy the writer/director chose to star in the film. So it's odd to give him credit/blame for the film's choices. Second, I haven't seen the film, but from reading about it, it seems that any satire of superhero movies is a minor element of a story that's about a lot of other things.

Besides, there are a lot of works enjoyed by comics/superhero fans that "bash," satirize, or deconstruct superhero comics, like Batman '66, The Dark Knight Returns, Watchmen, Mystery Men, The Boys, etc. You can enjoy both the thing itself and the things that critique or poke fun at it.
 
I would love to see Keaton back as Batman. It would be refreshing to see an older superhero. I also wouldn't mind if he gets a solo Batman movie, or Maguire back as Spiderman in a solo Spiderman movie.
Instead of another young superhero movie
 
Thinking of Keaton as a superhero, have they ever augmented Batman's suit with some form of powered strength enhancement? I realize he's not Iron Man but with all his amazing tech it wouldn't seem unreasonable.
 
Mr. Adventure said:
Thinking of Keaton as a superhero, have they ever augmented Batman's suit with some form of powered strength enhancement?
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On numerous occasions, including The Dark Knight Returns when he fought Superman, and in Batman Begins before Bruce retired and occasionally when he came out of retirement.
 
Christopher said:
It's not their "private life," because it's about how they ask to be addressed and identified by other people, which is by definition a public matter. If I say I prefer to go by Christopher, nobody would say "I don't care, I'm gonna call you Chip instead." That would just be rude and petty. It's the most elementary norm of everyday courtesy to respect other people's choices for what they want to be called. That's no different for pronouns than it is for given names.
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People getting called by nicknames they don't prefer happens all the time, and it doesn't get anyone "cancelled" so I'd say there is a difference between the way we treat names and pronouns.

It also occured to me that since pronowns were created to be used in the absence of the person being discussed, and they exist solely for the convenience of a third party,
no one should actually be able to choose their own pronouns. They should be whatever makes communication about you the clearest.
 
Mr. Adventure said:
Thinking of Keaton as a superhero, have they ever augmented Batman's suit with some form of powered strength enhancement? I realize he's not Iron Man but with all his amazing tech it wouldn't seem unreasonable.
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I think Keaton's Batman movies are among the most overrated I have ever seen. I had tried so hard to like them. Especially the first movie. I really did. But in the end, I realized that could only view them as mediocre.
 
I appreciate those Burton films for what they are. I have never really considered them Batman films and I was highly disappointed at Batman (89) because I went in to see it expecting to see a version of Batman that I knew from the comics. I didn't watch Batman Returns until somebody told me it was a really good Tim Burton movie with Burton style characters. I watched it on VHS and really liked it. But I have never really looked at it as anything more than some "out there" take on the character like in Miller's DKR.
 
I've never read more than a handful of Detective Comics and other pure Batman titles. I think my first introduction to Batman was on the Superfriends and his Filmation shows, as a guest on Scooby Doo, from stories on 45 records, from Worlds's Greatest Superheroes newspaper comics (my grandpa used to cut them out and save them for me, I still have some of them), and so on. Later there was Burton Batman, Schumacher Batman, Batman '66 on Nick at Nite, Batman Elseworlds stories, Batman vs. Predator, BTAS, all the later Batman cartoons, animated Batman movies, the Arkham video game series, Nolan movies, Snyder movies, the Reeves movie, and God knows how many I'm forgetting.

Point is, Batman has been part of my life for as long as I can remember but he's always been pretty malleable. Maybe if I read the comics more I'd have a more definitive take on what Batman must be.
 
kirk55555 said:
I just realized that Michael Keaton came back to play Batman after almost 30 years in two separate movies, and we may never see a second of his footage from either of them.
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It reminds me of that time when it looked like DLR was rejoining Van Halen. MTV ran ads celebrating it.
 
Ethros said:
Jesus, bit OTT. I had no idea Ezra Miller was anything of the sort until I saw this. Just some dude who played the Flash and was that prick kid in We Need To Talk About Kevin :lol:
I couldn't care less about a celeb/actors private life. Banning someone for not giving a f about that is ridiculous
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It's the most basic level of respect you can show another human being, if you can't handle that low bar you have no place in society. It is literally the least you can do.
 
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Christopher said:
It's not their "private life," because it's about how they ask to be addressed and identified by other people, which is by definition a public matter.
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It's the most elementary norm of everyday courtesy to respect other people's choices for what they want to be called.
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That's true. But you should know that people are not addressed by their gendered pronouns. They are described or referred to with gendered pronouns, in speech spoken to someone else.
 
Dee1891 said:
I think Keaton's Batman movies are among the most overrated I have ever seen. I had tried so hard to like them. Especially the first movie. I really did. But in the end, I realized that could only view them as mediocre.
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I viewed the 1st Burton Batman film as misguided drek when it premiered. Burton's neverending, upside-down obsessions--topped off by casting Keaton--resulted in something that was only Batman in name only. There was no part of Keaton's performance that seemed to be drawn from any era of the character's published life (and no, it was certainly not like Frank Miller's interpretation). Burton's Bat-world was not one I wanted to see explored, or ever expand to involve other DC heroes (which was short-lived chatter floating around after the 2nd Burton Bat film). Its incredible that it took decades to finally see a live action Batman portrayed in a way consistent with various eras of the comic version by Bale and Affleck.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
(and no, it was certainly not like Frank Miller's interpretation)
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That is not what I said. I said that I treat Burton's Batman as an alternate take on Batman, similar to DKR, which is to say it is a unique take that didn't resemble the in continuity version of the character. Writers from the 90s onward drew upon Miller's Batman in ways that Miller never really intended.
 
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