Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x11 - "Perpetual Infinity"

950 years in the future, from when Michael was 10 years old, is 3186 - the late 32nd century.

Gabrielle has aged somewhat in her 821 trips, so it's possible that she's in the early 33rd century

But Calypso was merely a "thousand" years after Discovery was abandoned, whenever that was, which places it in the late 33rd century at least (after 3257).

 

I think in "Calypso", it was only "almost 1,000 years", not 1,000. So late-32nd or early-33rd Century work too.

 

Well, that was much improved from last weeks mess, but still quite a bit off the high quality run that was episode 2 - 8 this season. It seems increasingly probable that wild swings in quality will be a feature of Discovery for the length of it's run.

Why does this show struggle so mightily with pacing and timeline issues? They're repeatedly putting tight clocks on situations, then dropping long talky scenes in right after. For example, this week Saru introduces that they only have an hour or two before Ma Burnham is lost to them forever. And that's followed with... a time-lapse of Michael listening to 900 log entries! That is not a competent scene juxtaposition!

This show just needs to find some way to break itself from it's compulsion to try to have EVERYTHING both ways, because it's this impulse to overindulgence that keeps sabotaging them. As in this example -- talky scenes can be great! Tense ticking clock situations can be great! You can't have both of them in the same sequence, because they undermine and ruin each other! Choose one!

 

Meh. 6 is the highest I would rate this and that being generous.

Georgiou was the best part of the show. The line about Pike not going to like his fate was a bit on the nose but not terrible. Nothing else really worked for me at all.

 

Thanks for the info!

 

The time line has changed because there is sentient life in the galaxy 1000 years from now, as wasnt the case when momy Burnham 1st arrived in the future.
Since Zora has been waiting for the crew for almost a thousand years. Craft is married to Mickys 1/2 sister, moms been busy after being stuck in the future this last time.
I wanted Mommy Burnham to tell Capt. Pike about his future accident. These next episodes just cant come soon enough.
IF Control is already an AI, what more info does it need to be more AI?
So much information from this last episode.

 

Oh yeah. It's there. I noticed too.

Perpetual Infinity at 20:00 (Pike meets Dr. Burnham)
Calypso at 00:52 (Future Discovery captures Craft's pod)

 

Sorry, imho convoluted and disappointing. Just how did a super-suit move a church full of people 50,000 light years instantly? Not a lot of churches have life support.

How about, I don’t know, using said super suit to destroy the sphere data after the sphere sends it to Discovery? Put the people in shuttle, blow the ship if you have to. Easy. “The sphere data wants to survive” is ridiculous, it can’t survive without a physical media.

Or btw if the sphere is so damned smart it can’t build a backup?

5/10. Plot is seriously off the rails and we are going to need to reboot the timeline I’d bet.

 

Not to mention -- won't she and the suit just end up next to each other back at her home base? Based off Michael's "I'm still going to rescue you" statement at the end, it didn't seem like they believed travel through the wormhole without the suit would be fatal?

She was also a vehicle for making grandiose pronouncements about the properties of time that were somehow so vague they communicated no substantive information at all. I actually bust out laughing at whatever her last "time is..." statement was.

 

I presume that the sphere installed a rootkit (or three) in Discovery's computer systems to prevent the file system from modifying the data.

The crew may not have even known about it, since Airiam - who worked closest with the data - was compromised too.

That's the sort of thing that could be infeasible to get rid of in the constraints of the show time.

 

I predicted this. Not exactly a stretch.

BTW, my score of 7 for the episode includes .5 for Spock's sweet gesture at the end and .5 for Papi being back in his doctor's whites.

 

8 only because it's not the complete story yet.
They'll all be 9's for me by the time we get to Episode 14.

This is one freaking fantastic story, I'm gonna have to binge the entire second season the day after episode 14 premiers!

 

Judging from the responses, I think people were hoping the Red Angel would've been an Iconian... can't remember all the other theories...

This is the opposite of Season 1's twist, when I saw the Tyler-is-Voq and into-the-mirrorverse-we-go theories on every board I looked on. No one really guessed it was Michael's mother.

And I think that's where the season, and the series, will either find its footing with fans or fail. Some of us (including me) are invested in Michael Burnham's character, but others aren't. All previous Treks were like solar systems. The captain was the sun, but there were always interesting (more or less) planets revolving around them.

In this Trek, Michael's more central than even most captains in previous series. If you don't really care much for the character or her journey, then flaws and problems in the writing will be amplified.

 

The one good thing the episode showed is the red bursts have nothing to do with the Red Angel. They're going to visit a red burst in the next episode. This means that some hint of the original mystery remains, considering it was the red burst that guided them to the dark matter asteroid, New Eden, etc.

I agree with you on Tyler and Tilly - I think both are generally speaking useless to the plots this season . Not sure I agree with Stamets. They really didn't do his character justice last season either, since he mostly existed to spout technobabble and mourn Culber by the back half. Really what he's given here is pretty much the same.

But yeah, since the 5th episode, Tilly and Stamets have basically been supporting characters, given almost no screen time. Tyler is given screen time, but he's never given anything interesting to do, and remains relentlessly bland. Hell, since Saru leveled up he's been almost a supporting character too. The "main cast" now seems to be Burnham, Spock, Pike, and Georgiou.

 

Definitely agree with you about this, and I like the main cast you've named. They managed to thread the needle when it came to bringing back Pike and Spock pre-TOS, but they still haven't given us nearly enough material for the others.

This is where having fewer eps hurts. But they really could do more with their non-Michael B and C plots in the space they have. Building in little character moments would help us get to know the others.

 

I would have settled for anything that's not as pedestrian and hackneyed as "long lost mommy."

 

Is a rogue genocidal AI pedestrian and hackneyed?