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Midnight's Edge - Star Trek 4 has lost investor funding
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I like Urban immensely and Quinto's good. Pine and Saldana are unremarkable and I don't like Cho and Yelchin. I don't want to talk about Pegg (who I normally like), nor the stories.
See my next answer re '09'.
I'm O.K. with that to be honest.
I thought '09 was enjoyable but flawed, and the other two got worse as they went on. Maybe that is enough...
Also The Predator had a budget of 88m and Alien Covenant was 97m and they looked impressive so surely its possible for Trek to do a medium budget movie again even in this age of the megabudget movies
The first one I really like, but then it got so much worse. It just wasn't Star Trek any more. Weird chases, 20th century music... Another villain of the week that wanted to destroy the Federation.
The Abrams movies lacked originality.
It's time for something really new. Different characters, ships etc. I'm done with Abrams-Trek.
Sounds about as Star Trek as most Star Trek movies...
Well, it sounds like every Star Trek movie since First Contact...
Yup...so, Star Trek.
There was a reason the TNG movies ran out of steam. First Contact was rather original, Insurrection and Nemesis were not. Hence diminishing returns.
Star Trek (2009) felt fresh, but Into Darkness and Beyond were not. Hence diminishing returns (although Into Darkness did internationally better than its predecessor).
It's time for something fresh again.
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I don't like First Contact much either, although it is certainly the best of the TNG movies...
I think that the Kelvin films could be fresh again. But, I agree that something fresh is needed.
That's damning with faint praise.
The first three TOS films earned less than their predecessors before a total change in approach with TVH (not that I hold that movie as some kind of gold standard or anything) boosted the box office take. Mission impossible 3 was the lowest grossing in that franchise (despite being excellent) and look where they are now.
It's absolutely possible, they just have to find that spark, that hook, that magic formula and a bit of luck that gets people talking about the movie and gets bums in seats. And a villain wanting revenge ain't it. I'd happily see a more serious piece of sci-fi at this point with something interesting and creative at it's heart. It can still have action and ship battles, just dial back the OTT stunts and set pieces.
Doubtful. Honestly, it would be interesting to see another story with a ship that's not the Enterprise in the Kelvin Universe.
No, they just have to figure out something new to do with Star Trek.
The thing is: The first three TOS movies - while still having diminishing returns - made a shitload of money compared to their original budgets. And in fact, diminishing returns was the norm back then: Even the original three Star Wars movies had diminishing returns!
Kelvin-Trek is in a completely different situation, in that the last movie didn't make enough money to cover it's cost during it's theatrical run. Yes, it's in the greens after all - blu-rays, merchandise etc. But that type of nailbaiting is not exactly what investors want - they could make much more money in the same time by betting on other horses.
The comparison to Mission:Impossible 3 is IMO better. But for M:I:4 they essentially completely revamped the franchise. They were even thinking about giving Tom Cruise the boot, instead they decided to have it a "team movie" (like the original series it's based on), with Cruise only leading the team, but building Jeremy Renner up for overtaking the franchise. It's only after that was so much of a success, the next two movies focused more on Tom Cruise again. (And poor Jeremy Renner now had his next "Bourne"-type of role where he was supposed to take the baton of a new franchise but then didn't!)
So a radical new approach for ST4 is needed. The biggest problem is probably that simply the time is running out. We're just months away from the 10th anniversary of the Kelvin franchise. People simply don't really care or remember that much anymore. If they wait another few years, it's probably easier to start from scratch with a new iteration.
I would absolutely LOVE that! But to be super honest, I think the Kelvin-timeline franchise is the wrong iteration for that. The last time you could have done something like that, was probably the TOS movies. The TNG movies already tried to be action movies, and the Kelvin-timeline movies are known for nothing else.
Their best bet for the Kelvin-timeline franchise IMO is probably a clever thriller. Yes, with a badguy and gadgets and everything. But not focused on action, but more on suspense (you can achieve that with a much lower budget!).
If you want to create a true high concept SF movie, a fresh start with new actors is probably the better option.
With the budget slash/Pine&Hemsworth pay thing and they way they've followed TOS movies so far (1- Vger like vessel, 2- Khan, 3- Ent destroyed) at this point they may as well rewrite ST4 so the whale probe visits early and they end up going back to 1986 as well and have to carefully navigate around TOS cast in a BTTF2/Trials&Tribulations way. the budget would go on 80s San Fran (80s are very 'in' now), BOP set, and some of that Forrest Gump/DS9 splice CGI of the Kelv cast interacting with TOS cast, Eddie Murphy can be a UFO believing college professor who helps them and Megan Fox can either be Saavik or Kirks 80s aerobics instructor love interest lol
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I would actually enjoy that! You could even introduce a threat that originates in the Kelvin universe, but sets its sights on the Kirk and co. from the Prime Universe, so Pine's Kirk has to save Shatner's Kirk without being detected and causing paradoxes for BOTH universes
Borgified Nero
Better yet: Borgified Nero AND Khan team up!Borgified Nero
I am surprise how dismissive some of you are of ME's video. Unless any of you can site a counter-source, we should at least entertain the possibility that the video is correct. After all, we know that:
Paramount is in debt.
Paramount is seeking to promote films with smaller budgets.
Paramount needs investors for their production.
At least Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto were suppose to get a pay increase.
Chris Hemsworth is a bigger "actor" now than back in 2009.
The direction of the franchise is chaotic at best.
Personally, the only way forward, is for a "reboot" (or, at least a retooling) of the franchise. Hire brand, new actors to play Kirk and crew (if characters and elements of TOS is to be used at all). If not the original crew, develop a TNG remake/re-imagination/whatever. Start with a smaller budget, develop an original plot that is worthy enough for the big screen, and dare to take chances. Keep a tight leash on the "big picture" (perhaps a trilogy?); release a film every 18 months or so. And for goodness sake, be smart with the marketing. Don't lie to fans, and don't rehash previous plots (Trekkies HATE that). Build up that good will, so that the films can garner repeat business.
In my opinion, of course...
Paramount is in debt.
Paramount is seeking to promote films with smaller budgets.
Paramount needs investors for their production.
At least Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto were suppose to get a pay increase.
Chris Hemsworth is a bigger "actor" now than back in 2009.
The direction of the franchise is chaotic at best.
Personally, the only way forward, is for a "reboot" (or, at least a retooling) of the franchise. Hire brand, new actors to play Kirk and crew (if characters and elements of TOS is to be used at all). If not the original crew, develop a TNG remake/re-imagination/whatever. Start with a smaller budget, develop an original plot that is worthy enough for the big screen, and dare to take chances. Keep a tight leash on the "big picture" (perhaps a trilogy?); release a film every 18 months or so. And for goodness sake, be smart with the marketing. Don't lie to fans, and don't rehash previous plots (Trekkies HATE that). Build up that good will, so that the films can garner repeat business.
In my opinion, of course...
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