Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x06 - "Lethe"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Oct 22, 2017.

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Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - Hmmm… Fascinating.

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  2. 9

    28.8%
  3. 8

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  4. 7

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  5. 6

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  6. 5

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  9. 2

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  10. 1 - Illogical!!! Illogical!!!

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  1. Borgminister

    Borgminister Admiral Moderator

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    Could there be too many eyeballs and not enough capacity?
     
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  2. Romulan_spy

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    Nice name drop with Spock!
     
  3. Uhura's Song

    Uhura's Song Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Wasn't Burnham screaming in pain at the end of last episode? Now she is running laps with no explanation? I thought this was supposed to be a serial.
     
  4. Daddy Todd

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    Incredibly glitchy on Apple TV.
     
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  6. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Maybe the Constitution Class is a "no frills" warship.
     
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  7. guyute03

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    Lethe - what I noticed

    - up at 8:05 eastern USA time on CBSAllAccess

    - Vulcan skyline beautifully digitally rendered

    - I don't know why but Sarek reminds me of T'Pol

    - Runners on Discovery! And Disco.

    - 'Enterprise' mention by Burnham

    - Ash Tyler from Seattle, mom, teacher, died from rogue comet

    - Holo-Battle Simulations

    - Vulcan terrorists? Bio-bomb like in that Enterprise episode 'Chosen Realm'.

    - mmmm burritos

    - Tilly has a crush on Tyler

    - more Vulcan shots, looks fantastic, Sarek's wife too

    - more Galactic mind meld with Sarek

    - "Logic Extremists" bombed Sarek, also responsible for Burnham's incident as a child

    - Yridia nebula

    - Stamets rules. Groovy.

    - I DONT TRUST ASH TYLER

    - I like that the panels in Lorca's ready room are actually dirty. No time for cleanliness in war.

    - Lorca drinks.

    - Really love Tilly & Stamets at this point. And Lorca just gets better all the time.

    - Feel like this crew is forming, finally

    - Lorca & Admiral Cornwell well uh.... hmmmmmm.....

    - STILL DONT TRUST ASH TYLER

    - Vulcan harp shot?

    - Spock mention

    - There's still Enterprise-Era problems between Humans & Vulcans. I love this continuity.

    - Lorca saved Sarek for Burnham, gives her bridge Science position

    - James Frain's performance is a highlight

    - "...fortune favor the bold...''

    - REALLY DONT TRUST ASH TYLER, he is observing the crew, learning who they are!

    - some Lorca/Saru stuff

    - next week looks Standalone-ish but with Mudd too!

    - DO NOT TRUST ASH TYLER

    Another exceptional episode. I gave it a 9. Star Trek firing on all cylinders, we're in TNG season 3 territory already here. Next week looks batsh*t. Standalone plus Mudd. I can't wait for more.
     
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  8. Uhura's Song

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    Oops, perhaps that was the sneak peek rom last week. Nevermind.
     
  9. Tuskin38

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    That was the preview for today’s episode you’re thinking of.
     
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  10. GeekUSACarl

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    Lorca be dayum crazy yo!
     
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  11. Uhura's Song

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    Gracias. I realized it after I posted. Stream is horrid. If it freezes again, I am out.
     
  12. Midquest

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    First thoughts:
    • Easily the best written episode thus far--no clunky dialogue in sight, and some snappy writing and internal callbacks to earlier beats in the episode.
    • Michael emerges as genuinely likable in a nice way here--previously I had respected and found her interesting, but maybe not been as drawn to her character as here.
    • Good character beats--some real, honest humanity to the interactions. If we were worried that the show would just be things exploding, that concern is clearly not justified, as this episode was character, character, character--for Tilly, for Michael, for Ash, for Lorca, for Cornwell. Actually a pretty quite, contemplative episode.
    • The values on display were very Trekkian.
    • I could have done with 30% less Spock name drops, but I do like how they wove Michael into Sarek, Amanda, and Spock's story. So where are we getting that Sybock episode? :p
    • How to read Stamets? Just a much happier guy, or is something wrong with him? Note Lorca's lingering look at his retreating figure...hm.
    • Great humanization of Lorca--he shows a vulnerability I quite liked.
    • The ending felt tacked on--a step beyond the heart and soul of the episode into clear set up territory for further episodes--not bad, but probably the most underwhelming beat of the episode for me.
    • Some good world-building: Vulcan extremists, the neutral arbiter species at the end.
    • I was seriously afraid Lorca was going to blow up Cornwell's shuttle or something, and thankful that did not happen...
    Next time looks bonkers, and I can't wait.
     
  13. Tuskin38

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    They don't show the 'next time' here in Canada, I always have to wait for an upload.
     
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  14. Bad Thoughts

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    I'm going to double down on what I previously wrote. It felt like an episode written for Seven of Nine, reminiscent of Dark Frontier. Burnham was much more "Vulcan" than in previous episodes, perhaps more than she was in the flashbacks in the first episode. I swear that Lorca had a snippet of dialogue that closely resembles something Janeway concerning the admirals and the Prime Directive.

    Nothing wrong with that per se. This was a stronger episode, definitely an uptick from the previous week. I hope that they won't need to do the same things in order to maintain quality.

    ETA: I hope that guy doesn't turn out to be an Klingon imposter. He had some good character moments with Burnham and Tilly.
     
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  15. Uhura's Song

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    Commercials working fine. Shows their priorities.
     
  16. Midquest

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    I also gave it a 9, and it's with some surprise and much satisfaction that I've got to squarely agree: we are in TNG season 3 territory here. I've been enjoying this show quite a lot already, but yeah, this is really strong stuff, and there's a lot of texture to these characters just six episodes in. Exciting days.
     
  17. jespah

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    I had a similar weird feeling about Lorca going to disable Cornwell in some way or another.

    I really LOVED the fact that he was with someone within spitting distance of his own age! Yay!

    I get the feeling Burnham will sense something in Tyler but not know quite what. She'll attribute it to attraction but it'll be something ... else.

    Much better emotional arcs in this one; Lorca feels even more complex. Discovery is all he's got. He's also recognizing he'd better toe the line a bit better. The phaser -- that makes sense. He's got PTSD from more than one event and isn't doing anything at all to take care of himself.

    I think the spores changed Stamets. He's certainly loosened up, big time. Is it really him?

    Hmm ... let's see what Episode 7 will have in store!
     
  18. David cgc

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    Me, too. He’s developing a Mackenzie Calhoun vibe I'm really enjoying. I’m curious where that very precise scarring came from.

    I caught a couple little things that delighted me. Vulcan’s twin planet that is definitely not a moon, T'Khut is back. Michael did the eyebrow thing in the scene with Stamets. Not sure about how I feel about them doing a time-loop episode, it feels like kind of a stock trope.
     
  19. Kane_Steel

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    5/10, and I'm being generous.

    I'm convinced the writers and producers behind this show don't watch Star Trek, or are not fans of it. This show is a basic drama, with awkward Trek easter eggs thrown in that they've looked up on Wikipedia.

    Disappointed to see Jason Isaacs talents wasted on playing a predictable villain. Him being the lead of this series could have elevated it.

    They've got a really unlikeable lead with Michael Burnham. Green's delivery just doesn't make the character endearing, likeable or relatable. It's hard to sell the series with the lead being so distant.

    Strange that they dropped that 'mirror' teaser last week and did nothing with it here.

    Not going to comment on Discovery having a holodeck. Continuity violations are the least of the show's problems now. Getting the spirit of Star Trek right is more paramount, no pun intended. This comes off more as a drastic reboot/reinvention of Classic Trek, than Classic Trek.
     
  20. GeekUSACarl

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    if i were to rate this taking CBS all access into account, id give it a 3. but i rated it a 9. great episode. hope we get more like it. creative and exciting. added so many layers of depth to the characters. Love Michael and Lorca. SMG showing again how wonderful she is and her approach to this character. Isaacs? dude is intriguing.
     
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