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Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens

Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

Uh, well I liked that beat, but it's still a time travel plot, and it's mechanisms still make no sense. And the film is horribly pretentious. And the makeup is awful. And the omen/prof x child was awful. There is nothing good about the film.
 
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
Uh, well I liked that beat, but it's still a time travel plot, and it's mechanisms still make no sense. And the film is horribly pretentious. And the makeup is awful. And the omen/prof x child was awful. There is nothing good about the film.
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Well, I'll grant that the premise is a lot less rock solid than the cutting edge science in Snowpiercer... :p

Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
The premise is that, in the near future, humanity's attempts to fight global warming have had the opposite effect: there is an ice age and the planet is now uninhabitable. The survivors that are left are all on board a perpetual-motion train that is travelling the world. This premise sounds absurd, but the screen-writers have done wonders with making it almost believable; just when you think you can't swallow the absurd notion of this train, they give you a detail that makes it make a bit more sense.
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Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

cooleddie74 said:
American Graffiti, then. Even ANH has better-developed and warmer, more human characters than AOTC.
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Lucas got an unfair amount of credit for the OT back in the day, thanks mostly to Joseph Campbell and the Power of Myth. Lucas had people around him with just as much if not more industry street cred to prop him up on the OT. People like Gary Kurtz were key to keeping the OT from teetering into self-parody. But Lucas brought back nobody other than Ben Burtt in the prequels. And so Lucas was really a victim of his own weaknesses and excesses, with nobody with enough clout to tell him the emperor had no clothes.
 
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

^Dennis Muren (FX supervisor) did return as well. Lucas also did consult Lawrence Kasdan, who told him not to change anything.

But apart from that it's a good point. ANH's script also largely had Willard Hyuck and his wife Gloria Katz (Who also wrote AMERICA GRAFFITI and INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM but unfortunately directed HOWARD THE DUCK) polish the dialogue and add a lot of the wit and banter. The opening scroll also was also worked on Brian De Palma.


Granted, AOTC had Johnathan Hales and ROTS had Tom Stoppard do some work, but at least the first was mostly a "yes man".
 
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

Locutus of Bored said:
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
Uh, well I liked that beat, but it's still a time travel plot, and it's mechanisms still make no sense. And the film is horribly pretentious. And the makeup is awful. And the omen/prof x child was awful. There is nothing good about the film.
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Well, I'll grant that the premise is a lot less rock solid than the cutting edge science in Snowpiercer... :p

Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
The premise is that, in the near future, humanity's attempts to fight global warming have had the opposite effect: there is an ice age and the planet is now uninhabitable. The survivors that are left are all on board a perpetual-motion train that is travelling the world. This premise sounds absurd, but the screen-writers have done wonders with making it almost believable; just when you think you can't swallow the absurd notion of this train, they give you a detail that makes it make a bit more sense.
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Snowpiercer knew it was a B-movie.. it had intelligent ideas, but it never felt like it was trying to outsmart the audience
 
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

Doctorwhovian said:
^Dennis Muren (FX supervisor) did return as well. Lucas also did consult Lawrence Kasdan, who told him not to change anything.

But apart from that it's a good point. ANH's script also largely had Willard Hyuck and his wife Gloria Katz (Who also wrote AMERICA GRAFFITI and INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM but unfortunately directed HOWARD THE DUCK) polish the dialogue and add a lot of the wit and banter. The opening scroll also was also worked on Brian De Palma.


Granted, AOTC had Johnathan Hales and ROTS had Tom Stoppard do some work, but at least the first was mostly a "yes man".
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The odd thing about that is I'm currently reading the Making of Jedi book, and it was actually Lucas who appeared to be making the script a lot tighter and snappier in the end, and who came up with a lot of the fun lines and moments we remember today. Kasdan's original screenplay and revised drafts were much more long-winded and over-explanatory.

So I do think Lucas was at least capable of writing snappy dialogue and characters at one time. But by the time of the prequels he had either lost that ability completely, or decided he wanted to take the new movies a whole lot more seriously than they needed to be.
 
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

Doctorwhovian said:
But apart from that it's a good point. ANH's script also largely had Willard Hyuck and his wife Gloria Katz (Who also wrote AMERICA GRAFFITI and INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM but unfortunately directed HOWARD THE DUCK) polish the dialogue and add a lot of the wit and banter. The opening scroll also was also worked on Brian De Palma.
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As well as the role of Lucas' wife.
 
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

Uh Oh, rumors are that Harrison's leg may take 6 months to heal. The movie may be getting a re-write or significant delay.
 
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

I hope Disney delays the film too, but there's not a lot of slots available in 2016. May 2016 competes with their own Captain America film and December 2016 is the Star Wars stand-alone film.
 
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

I really hope Disney doesn't force them to do a rewrite. It took them long enough just to come up with the script they have now. And plus I was really looking forward to seeing a Han Solo-led SW movie.

If summer 2016 ends up being a little more packed, so be it. And the standalone can always be pushed back a bit.
 
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

So, what the heck happened? We've been joking for years about how the vertical doors in Star Wars look really dangerous, at least the ones on the Death Star which look like they might chop a person in half, but sheesh!
 
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

Great. Lando corrupted the ship when he borrowed her at Endor. No wonder Billy Dee might not be in the film.
 
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

So I guess the assumption is this is the curved door that slides down after you enter the ship from the ramp? If so, I can definitely imagine how it could have slid down too soon, and right onto his leg, before he had fully cleared the entranceway.

Hard to imagine any of the other doors on the ship doing that kind of damage.
 
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

The only other door I recall ever seeing in action on the Falcon was the one to that repair bay that Artoo falls into. Or am I totally remembering that wrong? Was there a "door" there or a removable grating?
 
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

The cockpit in Empire and Jedi had a horizontal sliding door but I couldn't see that relatively small door breaking an actor's leg. Not big nor heavy-looking enough to cause that kind of damage, nor does it close all that rapidly.
 
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