Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

[Set Harth]

Which makes it rather odd the Gary Mitchell rumour for STID persisted as long as it did, given that was the very first story done in the comics. Either people don't trust Orci to mean what he said, or they consider Karl Urban to be quite the authority and automatically assume he speaks the truth.

I can't speak for others, but I think contributing factors were that traditionally comics aren't held as canon in this franchise and early set footage leaks indicated that Cumberbatch was playing a Starfleet officer with black hair.

Instead of a villain, make it a "Thing".

It's clobberin' time!!!

 

[The Wormhole]

I can't speak for others, but I think contributing factors were that traditionally comics aren't held as canon in this franchise and early set footage leaks indicated that Cumberbatch was playing a Starfleet officer with black hair.

The comics still aren't canon, STID blatantly ignored and contradicted them. But starting Day 1 it was said that Orci was directly supervising the comics so that they didn't do so that they didn't do any stories Bad Robot ha planned for the movie. Which everyone ignored when Urban made his Gary Mitchell joke.

 

[ElimGarak.93-99]

If they use the Borg they should tie them in with the machine planet.

Why? Do we need to make the universe any smaller than it is? I get some people like playing connect the dots, but I've never understood why we need every mystery explained?

Besides, if we had to do an origin story, grab the origin from the Destiny novels. Makes for a far better story.

If they are going to make a movie about the borg, than using the Destiny novels would be a great idea....the only problem is that story isn't set in the 23rd century.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

How about no villain?

An antagonist or conflict, of course. I am so tired of villains. "Muwahaha, I am mad and want vengeance."

We've had a lot of traditional villains in the movies

And the TV series. It started with Gary Mitchell, and after that we got Charlie X, Harry Mudd, Kor, Trelane, Khan, Garth, Doctor Adams, Ronald Tracey, Lieutenant Finney, the Gorn, The Cloud Creature, the Gamesters, Gorgon, Flint, that Zetar thing, and a Nameless Romulan Commander who had the hots for Spock.

If you must have a non-traditional villain (one that hasn't been done before), it's best to do a combination of "The Ultimate Computer" and "War Games" and have M5 hijack a starship when a programming glitch causes it to uniformly mark all Federation starships as valid targets. Plot twist: it's not really a glitch, it's the Tal Shiar's sabotage.

Instead of a villain, make it a "Thing".

Doomsday Machine??

Why is any object we don't understand always called a "thing?"

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I can't speak for others, but I think contributing factors were that traditionally comics aren't held as canon in this franchise and early set footage leaks indicated that Cumberbatch was playing a Starfleet officer with black hair.

The comics still aren't canon, STID blatantly ignored and contradicted them.

It didn't ignore them at all, in fact it went out of its way to REFERENCE them on three separate occasions. The only contradiction is Kirk saying that he hasn't lost any crewmembers since he took command of the Enterprise; this could be explained by him believing (with cause, maybe?) that Gary Mitchell is still alive somewhere.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I voted 'no' because I had reduced interest in the Borg after they were defeated so easily at the beginning of TNG season four, dwindling interest after each Hugh episode, and none at all after the Queen was introduced.

If it were possible to reboot the Borg to the decentralized unstoppable horror as depicted in "Q Who" then my interest in seeing them again might be rekindled.

 

[JarodRussell]

To boldly reboot where everyone has been before.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

I personally still believe Cumberbatch is playing Mitchell. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but you know it is the right one.

 

[The Wormhole]

I can't speak for others, but I think contributing factors were that traditionally comics aren't held as canon in this franchise and early set footage leaks indicated that Cumberbatch was playing a Starfleet officer with black hair.

The comics still aren't canon, STID blatantly ignored and contradicted them.

It didn't ignore them at all, in fact it went out of its way to REFERENCE them on three separate occasions. The only contradiction is Kirk saying that he hasn't lost any crewmembers since he took command of the Enterprise; this could be explained by him believing (with cause, maybe?) that Gary Mitchell is still alive somewhere.

And what about the officers Gary Mitchell killed, like Kelso?

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I voted 'no' because I had reduced interest in the Borg after they were defeated so easily at the beginning of TNG season four, dwindling interest after each Hugh episode, and none at all after the Queen was introduced.

If it were possible to reboot the Borg to the decentralized unstoppable horror as depicted in "Q Who" then my interest in seeing them again might be rekindled.

That's exactly why I voted yes.

Because if JJ Abrams wants to do something new and unexpected with the Borg, the only thing he can really do is to capitalize on their original depiction and make it fifty times scarier.

No adapting, no dastardly schemes, no mustache-twirling Borg Queen, no ridiculous Bond Villain assimilation plots. Just make the Borg an unstoppable and stupendously destructive menace that's utterly impossible to understand, let alone reason with.

If you take the basic plot of the Doomsday Machine and put a 23rd century Borg ship in place of the planet killer, you've got yourself a movie.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

The comics still aren't canon, STID blatantly ignored and contradicted them.

It didn't ignore them at all, in fact it went out of its way to REFERENCE them on three separate occasions. The only contradiction is Kirk saying that he hasn't lost any crewmembers since he took command of the Enterprise; this could be explained by him believing (with cause, maybe?) that Gary Mitchell is still alive somewhere.

And what about the officers Gary Mitchell killed, like Kelso?

Same as the prime universe: he completely forgot about Kelso. Probably didn't even add him to the official casualty list.

 

[Khan 2.0]

guess we'll be hearing if its the Borg or not soon..

 

[Joel_Kirk]

I voted 'no' because I had reduced interest in the Borg after they were defeated so easily at the beginning of TNG season four, dwindling interest after each Hugh episode, and none at all after the Queen was introduced.

If it were possible to reboot the Borg to the decentralized unstoppable horror as depicted in "Q Who" then my interest in seeing them again might be rekindled.

That's exactly why I voted yes.

Because if JJ Abrams wants to do something new and unexpected with the Borg, the only thing he can really do is to capitalize on their original depiction and make it fifty times scarier.

No adapting, no dastardly schemes, no mustache-twirling Borg Queen, no ridiculous Bond Villain assimilation plots. Just make the Borg an unstoppable and stupendously destructive menace that's utterly impossible to understand, let alone reason with.

If you take the basic plot of the Doomsday Machine and put a 23rd century Borg ship in place of the planet killer, you've got yourself a movie.

As much as a non-fan I am of the Borg, I would be opened to that. The next question is: Can we actually get a tight enough script to appropriately mix the drama, action, and characterization?

 

[I am not Spock]

I'd be all for the Borg appearing in the next film.

It would make sense from a financial point of view.

And also, Kirk is the only captain who's never got to face off against the Borg. It's time he got his chance

 

[xavier]

Maybe to Yes...as long as the film is not rushed. a 2 hr 50 minutes borg film might be great and above all no more REVENGE STORY LINES.

 

[The Wormhole]

guess we'll be hearing if its the Borg or not soon..

Nah, the movie's release is still two years away. They're going to first try to dick us around and make us guess if it's the Borg or not.

 

[Khan 2.0]

not so sure if they'll do that this time. think JJA recently said something about wishing theyd come out with Khan beforehand and not done the whole is he/isn't he thing.

still, maybe they'll manage to keep the main villain under wraps until a teaser trailer attached to a big Paramount release next year (summer - T5? or Xmas - MI5?)

 

[The Wormhole]

Oh, I know it's unlikely they'll go that route again. Abrams has admitted it was a mistake to keep Khan a secret and Orci has said he wants to cut back on the secrecy for Trek XIII. But I can't resist a cheap shot or a low blow when I see one.

 

[Khan 2.0]

If it is the Borg I imagine a similar trailers to FC... like hey everyone we're doing the Borg!

 

[ralph]

Borgs could be threatening. Enterprise could find a Borg probe damaged in deep space or in an unexplored planet with some borg still alive.