Star Trek Continues: Episode 3...
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I think some here are over analyzing a bit, and need to put this in the context of 60s TV storytelling where minds are changed and loyalties switched just with a simple monologue from a hero. Happened all the time in classic westerns and spy shows of the era. In that context, Chekov switching sides makes perfect sense in the context of the events of Mirror Mirror.
In Mirror Mirror Chekov pulls his phaser on Prime Kirk after Kirk disobeys orders from the Empire and spares the Halkans. Chekov clearly reveals in this scene that promotion is completely based on assasination, not merit. After being overcome by Kirk's guards Checkov is then sent to the agony booth, rather than being immediately put to death.
Later Prime Kirk spares Chekov from extended time in the booth and simply confines him to quarters.
Now, evil Kirk is back, acting like his old self and resumes the orders from the Empire and decimates Halkan... add to the fact Chekov was spared by Kirk, and I would highly suspect Chekov learned his place in the agony booth, and probably figures there must have been some "reason" Halkan was initially spared that's beyond his pay grade.
You have to go into this thinking Classic Trek. A rousing speech by Kirk, or a barrage of logic by Spock can easily sway minds. Otherwise about 3/4s of the entirity of TOS' run makes no logical sense.
Yancy
This was basically apparent. Mirror Kirk was a tyrant and a bully and thus not one to inspire much loyalty of any kind. He commanded the fear and intimidation.
It's clear there was no real bond between Mirror Spock and Mirror Kirk as there is in the Prime Universe. It's was amusing when MU Scotty gave the expected answer of claiming to see weakness in the Prime universe. But watching "Mirror, Mirror" and "Fairest Of Them All" we can see Prime Kirk is easily light years better the man the MU Kirk could ever be.
You know watching this and watching Mirror Kirk flounder around I was continually reminded of how truly badass Prime Kirk was. He had it all over these guys. Mirror Kirk was a real tool in comparison.
Another thing. Ever since I first saw "Mirror, Mirror" way back in the day I've always wondered how things went down when the Mirror counterparts first materialized in the Prime Enterprise transporter room. Given how thick Mirror Kirk apparently is he probably didn't think fast on his feet and adapt the way his Prime counterpart did. For all we know Prime Spock put them in the brig practically right off.
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Yes, I think a more bloody mutiny more along the lines of a "Day of the Dove" type situation might have been better, this is the Mirror Universe after all. Only one unimportant character dead.
The idea that most of the crew are not all that different from their prime counterparts has merit, it would explain why the empire has held together. If they were majority bloody savages there seems little chance of that.
The idea that most of the crew are not all that different from their prime counterparts has merit, it would explain why the empire has held together. If they were majority bloody savages there seems little chance of that.
For me a pivotal scene was early on on the Bridge when MU Kirk was completely flustered with Spock's behaviour then beat a hasty retreat to his quarters. Right then and there he looked completely undermined and indecisive. It was priceless. MU Spock had to be thinking, "This guy really is a total putz."
Don't blame Continues, the Original Series was a bit fuzzy about how the Universe works, it was just going for Savagry on the broadest level
I just watched it.
Honestly, I felt like a kid again, on a Sunday afternoon in the early-mid-70's, watching Star Trek on channel 22, WWLP from Springfield, Massachusetts!The only thing missing in that regard was the 'snow' in the broadcast...but I didn't really mind not having to adjust the rabbit-ears this time around!
I can't adequately describe my appreciation of the 'sixties' approach to the camera work and story-telling. I also kept thinking "What Shatner could have done with this role!".
I'm not going to say anything else, other than to recommend watching it!
I may have to donate to these guys' cause...
Still Live in Agawam, I remember those days, Star Trek at 4 and Space 1999 at 5, boy what days
That's right, Dave!
I'm still near the old neighborhood, in my case Connecticut.
I can still hear "WWLP, Springfield. WRLP, Greenfield." as if it was yesterday!
The weather had so much impact on Channel 22 reception here!
I just watched this and had to convey my delight and pleasure in this masterpiece. This is my favourite fan film ever. There was parts where I had to remind myself I wasn't watching TOS. Thats mainly down to the acting and the awesomely recreated mood and lighting. Even though the actors don't appear to be copying the original actors mannerisms they got the characters spot on. The story was well written and directed.
It made me think of how much better this was compared to the JJ films- All the FX and sets money can buy can't save a weak story. I really like the actor playing Kirk. He somehow pulls off both Kirk and Shatner without playing a carbon copy.
Well done to all involved in bringing us this treasure.
It made me think of how much better this was compared to the JJ films- All the FX and sets money can buy can't save a weak story. I really like the actor playing Kirk. He somehow pulls off both Kirk and Shatner without playing a carbon copy.
Well done to all involved in bringing us this treasure.
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Ultimately what's nice too is that even though the Continues crew is attempting to ignore/not refer to future events as set forth in the sequel series, this episode still aligns nicely with what the Intendant reveals to Major Kira in "Crossover:"
Star Trek Continues continues (sic) to impress me. It apparently has left the pure Fan Film niveau and plays well with its semi-professionalism. STC feels more and more like a low budget version of a TV movie. It certainly helps, that good ol' TOS had its sixties charme and budget and STC can only profit from that.
The script - again - was a very strong one, for me the best to date. The acting was top notch. And I admit, that my comparisons with the original key players fade more and more.
The set design, the production values, the lighting, the camera angles, the cuts, the pacing and last but not least the SFX - all turned out beautifully.
Kudos to all of the STC team members. You show, that Star Trek - faithfully retooled - is still a strong damn fine hour of entertainment.
Thanks for the experience, thanks for the effort. If you love to do it - the better for me, the better for us all.
Damn, was that good!
The script - again - was a very strong one, for me the best to date. The acting was top notch. And I admit, that my comparisons with the original key players fade more and more.
The set design, the production values, the lighting, the camera angles, the cuts, the pacing and last but not least the SFX - all turned out beautifully.
Kudos to all of the STC team members. You show, that Star Trek - faithfully retooled - is still a strong damn fine hour of entertainment.
Thanks for the experience, thanks for the effort. If you love to do it - the better for me, the better for us all.
Damn, was that good!
Nicely done, well made fan service. Some good moments, some good performances (and some very weak ones), but no surprises. A top notch fanfilm, but still just that.
The story is the big weakness. Why? because it's a procedural.
IMO "Lolani" remains the better show because it's actually about something. This was fun but basically empty calories.
P.S. "Quantum wave signatures?" In a TOS show? Oy...
The story is the big weakness. Why? because it's a procedural.
Spock makes his decision right at the top and then we just watch it play out. Given the duplicitous nature of the setting I expected at least one "follower" would have turned on Spock for personal gain, reinforcing how hard this path will be to follow. Also, symbolically it would've been stronger to have Spock destroy the Tantalus device rather than just pay lip service to not using it. Action, not words, filmmakers.
IMO "Lolani" remains the better show because it's actually about something. This was fun but basically empty calories.
P.S. "Quantum wave signatures?" In a TOS show? Oy...
Star Trek truly continues with this production. Thanks so much for giving us a series that actually feels like 'real' classic Trek. I don't know how you guys are doing it.
The writing is superb and the characters ring true. With the exception of Sulu, (nothing personal, but his acting skills need the most work out of the entire cast) I actually believe that these actors are portraying the characters I fell in love with. The pacing, the shots, the effects...it's all near perfection.
I don't know what else to say. Keep up the good work and I'll continue watching. I think I'll watch Episode 3 again tonight. It was marvelous.
The writing is superb and the characters ring true. With the exception of Sulu, (nothing personal, but his acting skills need the most work out of the entire cast) I actually believe that these actors are portraying the characters I fell in love with. The pacing, the shots, the effects...it's all near perfection.
I don't know what else to say. Keep up the good work and I'll continue watching. I think I'll watch Episode 3 again tonight. It was marvelous.
I took it more as a logical, calculating "never say never" type thing. He makes that decision in that moment, but doesn't consign himself to it in perpetuity. To me, it reinforced what they were trying to say about the character and the universe.
Edited to delete "spoilers."
Heaven forbid anyone should be spoiled.
Heaven forbid anyone should be spoiled.
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