I think it's just a case of every generation thinking the succeeding one is the worst ever. One day the shows of today will be the ones held up as immaculate compared to the new shows of the time.
Should Voyager have been more like Stargate: Universe?
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Luddites are always with us.
In 2063 people will be making jokes about how fat Pine got and how he lost his hair.
You couldn't have picked a worse example.
Family Matters may have been horrible and simplistic, but the transformation of Jaleel White, one of the most charismatic men in America, to Steve Urkle was bordering on the magic those old biddies did to that doormat Cinderella before the Ball.
Did you ever think that Cindy was trapped in that slave mentality just taking all that abuse and then taking the trifle those fairies gave her?
Her three fairygodmothers show up, and she gets what?
A dress and wheels for 6 hours?
What that woman needed was everything that used to be her fathers signed back over to her and her new family murdered.
Which in the simplest possible terms, amounts to rat poison and a lawyer.
Rat poison and a lawyer probably a year earlier when shit got dark and they started treating her like the help.
Did Disney have a scene in their movie where she pissed on every meal before she served it to her step mother and step sisters? Because as passive and broken as she was to take that and not even thinking about running, that's like the minimal amount of resistance you can expect from some who prepares your food who is angry with you.
Sometimes the storybook ends with Prince Charming beheading her new family, other times Cinderella is the bigger person and they all move into the castle together because years of indentured servitude and sleeping with the dog was all forgiven... I like to think a week after the movie finished that Cinderella hunted her Ugly Step sisters for sport.
Seriously: MAGIC?
Cinderella was within her rights to shiv her sleeping family, but if she had been given Magic when all this started, when the least she needed was a spoon sharpened into a point, it would have been Just like Harry Potter and the three of those interlopers in her house would have turned into balloons and starved to death at 30 thousand feet. Yes they would have died from exposure 5 days before starvation, but on the other hand exposure might have sorted the dying of thirst issue if they got stuck in a rain cloud for a bit.
Maybe she would have gone to jail if she burnt the house down, but getting away with arson had to be easier than avoiding the inquisition! Although, what are the odds there would be a witchsniffer on sight to identify Cinderella as a bride of Lucifer dabbling in the dark arts? Considering she technically used magic to secure the throne, that's basically treason, and Cinderella should be burned at the stake if she gets drunk to one night and blathers on in detail to much about her origin...
When those witches turned up, before the ball, sorry "fairy Godmothers" the first words out of Cinderella's mouth should have been "What took you so damn long?"
By the way, why didn't the glass slipper turn back into whatever workboot she was wearing or probably a few sheets of brown paper tied off with string.
The reason her glass slippers were so small is probably because the rats she was sleeping with in squalor under the stairs had eaten her toes.
That's the only thing that makes sense.
Cinderella could not go to the ball until rats had eaten all her toes.
Perfect!
I mean sure the the fairy godmothers could have turned the stepsisters inside out and put the step mothers face on a pike by the front door, that would have been fantastic but it hardly generated a sustainable life for a piece of furniture like Cinderella... When she received her invitation to the ball (after gutting her family), the poor girls feet would have been too big and Prince Charming would not have given a damn about her.
He's obviously a foot fetishist.
A year as a slave to three prize bitches while parts or you are eaten by scurrying things while you sleep doesn't seem like a terrible trade off for being crowned Queen does it? If that's really where their masterminding began... If you take back the story far enough the Fairy Godmothers probably matchmade the father with the Step Mother and then killed the father to steer her where they needed her to be.
It's clear they don't give a damn about Cinderella, those fairy godparents just wanted to put her on the Throne for some dark reason no matter her personal cost, but the movie/story finished too quickly for us to find out what the hell that was.
Sorry.
Where was I?
Steve and Jaleel seem like completely different people, therefore one of them is the product of some fine acting.
Horrible, horrible, horrible, show.
The first time I saw Jaleel White as Urkel, I thought he was one of the most gifted physical comedians I'd ever seen, and he was 17 then. He did a wonderful job with that character. The voice, high-water pants, etc., were his own invention. I think the whole nerd persona was his creation, simply because there had never been a black nerd before.
A wonderful job on his back.
How sad.
If a woman earns money on her back, they call her names.
How sad.
If a woman earns money on her back, they call her names.
I need a cup of tea to read this essay.
IIRC they even had an 'Urkel' breakfast cereal for a time.
Regarding Cinderella, I always wondered why how the Prince could dance with her all night, fall deeply in love but only recognize her by having her try on a shoe. Also, how could she be the ONLY girl in the whole land with that particular shoe size?
For me the best thing in StarGate Universe was Robert Carlyle- he is a helluva good actor. He owns 'Once Upon a Time' and watching his Dr. Rush deal with trying to figure out alien tech and manipulate his fellow humans was the most interesting part of the show for me. I just wish they hadn't seen the need to give him a 'Number Six' later on.
Voyager was mostly TNG in style and story, it pretty much abandoned the fascinating premise of being stranded with little support and a mixed crew of people who did not work well together. Instead of Starbases to get resupplied they did some convenient trade with alien races, who somehow had technology with was compatible replacements for StarFleet equipment. Voyager also managed to make the Borg boring.
Regarding Cinderella, I always wondered why how the Prince could dance with her all night, fall deeply in love but only recognize her by having her try on a shoe. Also, how could she be the ONLY girl in the whole land with that particular shoe size?
For me the best thing in StarGate Universe was Robert Carlyle- he is a helluva good actor. He owns 'Once Upon a Time' and watching his Dr. Rush deal with trying to figure out alien tech and manipulate his fellow humans was the most interesting part of the show for me. I just wish they hadn't seen the need to give him a 'Number Six' later on.
Voyager was mostly TNG in style and story, it pretty much abandoned the fascinating premise of being stranded with little support and a mixed crew of people who did not work well together. Instead of Starbases to get resupplied they did some convenient trade with alien races, who somehow had technology with was compatible replacements for StarFleet equipment. Voyager also managed to make the Borg boring.
I'll never understand why there are people who hate SG-1 and Atlantis but not SGU, or vice versa. I was able to like both versions of storytelling. I loved the action/adventure vibe of O'Neill/Mitchell's team & Sheppard's team while at the same time loved the ensemble cast, story arcs, and drama of the Destiny crew. It's almost like TNG vs. DS9.
Voyager wanted to do the ensemble drama, but ended up poorly doing action/adventure.
Voyager wanted to do the ensemble drama, but ended up poorly doing action/adventure.
Actually, I don't think VOY wanted to do ensemble stuff. It looks like they wanted a smaller cast to begin with but got stuck with an ensemble. Which is why they chose to focus on a smaller cast later on anyways.
Some versions of the story say that it was a masked ball. It's possible that the magic temporarily turned all her filth, soot and dandruff into hair styling gel, bronzing solution and glitter. Also it had to be illegal to keep (white) slaves at that point in history, so Cinderella was locked in the basement and never let out to nark on her step mother, so Cindy wouldn't have known that the Prince was looking for her, and he couldn't find her in that Saddam Hussein like bolthole.
Although if the prince was a terrible dancer, he would have been looking at his feet and her feet all night long to get his steps right... but then with the feet fetishism, he would have been looking at her feet all night anyway.
Although, is it a foot fetish, or a shoe fetish?
Maybe he just needed to find Cinderella so that he could have sex with all her shoes?
She would have been his beard.
Besides, is Prince Charming a Polygamist or did he consecutively execute his wives when he got bored of them like Henry the 8th did with his stable of fillies?
Cinderella may have had small feet for an adult, but she had big feet for a child. Um, I'm going to stop now before this gets really dark.
It might have worked with a little mix of both. The Voyager episode, with an alternate ship also trapped in the Delta quadrant (I forget what it's called), supposedly shows what the Voyager creators wanted to make out of the series, but they weren't allowed to make such "dark" Star Trek. I guess you have to make sure to make millions in a so-so movie for that to be allowed.
Given VOY's premise, it should've been a darker Trek, looking at just what the evolved humans of the 24th century would do, what they would sacrifice, how far they would go to make it home safely.
It's a series I really want to enjoy, but it just keeps hitting the mark of just how great it could've been. Shame really.
Maybe NuTrek will do it.
Ambassador Spock has some sort of noninterference Oath in play, but come the fuck on, the Probe from the 4th movie, V'ger and the fricking Galaxy Sized Amoeba's from The Immunity Syndrome... There's fate of the universe shit a play here, not just the shaping of Kirks character.
Way I see it, if he even allows Omega to be invented, You put Equinox Where it was when it was taken, and then rip subspace to shreds so that the Borg are landlocked along with 1/4 of the Galaxy neighbouring those Cybernetic bastards.
meh?
Way I see it, if he even allows Omega to be invented, You put Equinox Where it was when it was taken, and then rip subspace to shreds so that the Borg are landlocked along with 1/4 of the Galaxy neighbouring those Cybernetic bastards.
meh?
Kirk and Picard didn't have to go dark when the same thing happened to them in TOS and TNG.
You know VOY is the least dark of the Treks. Instead of everyone wanting it to be more dark and gritty maybe we should be saying "it was almost a comedy.. if only they'd just pushed it a little further and it would have been a bold new comedy Trek."
But it's not the creators' fault. It's the fault of the IP holders and their meddling. All that to finally sell out to JJ Abrams and those empty glitz movies.
