Wiped Episode Discoveries

[Lonemagpie]

Hang on, I thought it was fan myth that Tenth Planet 4 had been nicked from the Blue Peter office, and that it was actually Dalek Masterplan 4 that had vanished from there (after they took the extract of Katarina spacing herself)? Or has the belief switched back?

 

[Candlelight]

Hang on, I thought it was fan myth that Tenth Planet 4 had been nicked from the Blue Peter office, and that it was actually Dalek Masterplan 4 that had vanished from there (after they took the extract of Katarina spacing herself)? Or has the belief switched back?

FACT: The Daleks Master Plan 4 was borrowed by the Blue Peter office and not returned. It was the only outstanding episode when Sue Malden audited the film library in 1978.The name of the form was 'J. Smith', but Justin Smith, who worked for the office and would've dealt with these, has no recollection of the episode (then again he was several decades after 1973!).

FAN FICTION: Blue Peter borrowed the regeneration clip in 1973 from the only surviving telerecording of The Tenth Planet 4 and the episode subsequently went missing. As the story was still being offered by BBC Enterprises until at least 1974, this story is false. Yes they borrowed a copy of the episode but it was returned or junked sometime before 1978 as per policy. As there is no evidence to suggest the film library ever had a copy of TP4, the print used must've come from BBC Enterprises, which is probably where this rumour came from.

Both of these stories often get mixed up.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Ah, so I *was* right, good.

"J Smith" - and that didn't look at all suspicious?

 

[diankra]

It did until he was tracked down and turned out to be Justin! He doesn't remember anything aboit it, as he was handling a dozen borrrowed prints each week he worked on Blue Peter. So ojusst two of hundreds that went across his desk.
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[starsuperion]

Did any of them locate some of the lost hartnell episodes?

I still swear to God I saw an episode of the daleks master plan in the 80s on the PBS station in Louisiana..with the emperor dalek and troughton arguing..

 

[Christopher]

I still swear to God I saw an episode of the daleks master plan in the 80s on the PBS station in Louisiana..with the emperor dalek and troughton arguing..

You mean "The Evil of the Daleks," right? That was the one with Troughton and the Emperor Dalek. "Master Plan" was the really long Hartnell one.

 

[diankra]

And if either of them was ever run in North Ametica there is a big hole in the BBC's paperwork.
Not impossible: Sierra Leone ran season three without paying to do around 1990, from prints they'd had since the '70s. But by the time this lead was spotted they'd been destroyed by the civil war.
So there is a tiny chance that 'audition prints' were sent to the US and run unoffically. But it's a bit of a stretch...

 

[starsuperion]

I still swear to God I saw an episode of the daleks master plan in the 80s on the PBS station in Louisiana..with the emperor dalek and troughton arguing..

You mean "The Evil of the Daleks," right? That was the one with Troughton and the Emperor Dalek. "Master Plan" was the really long Hartnell one.

yes that's it. I knew I had the two backwards. But yes. I distinctly remember seeing it. I should have recorded it, but the betamax we had didn't have that feature.. I think that was on loan and someone is still sitting on it today... it was during a special pledge drive... they never showed a follow up, or a previous episode.. they went straight from there to the episode with the alien with the big green head and one eye, and other aliens on some planet, with the fourth doctor

 

[Allyn Gibson]

And if either of them was ever run in North Ametica there is a big hole in the BBC's paperwork.
Not impossible: Sierra Leone ran season three without paying to do around 1990, from prints they'd had since the '70s. But by the time this lead was spotted they'd been destroyed by the civil war.
So there is a tiny chance that 'audition prints' were sent to the US and run unoffically. But it's a bit of a stretch...

I have a friend who says that she saw "The Wheel in Space" in Atlanta in the early 1970s. And I've heard rumors that it was broadcast elsewhere in the US (Washington, DC, specifically) at roughly the same time. I find it difficult to discount my friend's first-hand account. If there's a black & white era Doctor Who story that got passed around PBS stations circa 1972 and broadcast, I'd put my money on "Wheel."

 

[starsuperion]

And if either of them was ever run in North Ametica there is a big hole in the BBC's paperwork.
Not impossible: Sierra Leone ran season three without paying to do around 1990, from prints they'd had since the '70s. But by the time this lead was spotted they'd been destroyed by the civil war.
So there is a tiny chance that 'audition prints' were sent to the US and run unoffically. But it's a bit of a stretch...

I have a friend who says that she saw "The Wheel in Space" in Atlanta in the early 1970s. And I've heard rumors that it was broadcast elsewhere in the US (Washington, DC, specifically) at roughly the same time. I find it difficult to discount my friend's first-hand account. If there's a black & white era Doctor Who story that got passed around PBS stations circa 1972 and broadcast, I'd put my money on "Wheel."

Now that you mention it, I remember seeing wheel in space too on that PBS station! that's right! I don't remember which episode it was tho, or if it was one of the ones missing.. Cybermats were killing people...the doctor got bit..was in a hospital bed..

but I distinctly remember seeing Patrick troughton and the emperor dalek arguing, and him running around the dalek complex, and other daleks talking, and some with human emotions, and the smoke coming from the emperor..incidentally I was a huge fan of that emperor design, he looked like a Chess piece, which was cool, and it was mysterious as to what the internal version would look like..

 

[Christopher]

The Lost in Time DVD set includes episode 2 of "The Evil of the Daleks" and episodes 3 & 6 of "The Wheel in Space." What you remember from "Wheel" sounds like what I've seen in the surviving episodes. However, what you're describing from "Evil" sounds like episode 6. I think there are only some clips from that known to survive.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

The Lost in Time DVD set includes episode 2 of "The Evil of the Daleks" and episodes 3 & 6 of "The Wheel in Space." What you remember from "Wheel" sounds like what I've seen in the surviving episodes. However, what you're describing from "Evil" sounds like episode 6. I think there are only some clips from that known to survive.

I think he's describing episode 7 of "Evil." The reveal of the Emperor is the cliffhanger to episode 6, as I recall. There is a little bit of footage of the Dalek civil war from the finale; I think that's on the Lost in Time set as well.

 

[DWF]

So whatever happened to the ep. of The Underwater Menace that was found last year?

 

[Sindatur]

So whatever happened to the ep. of The Underwater Menace that was found last year?

I think the latest that was said about it is a DVD would be released in 2014, and then they said they wouldn't confirm wether it would have 2 or 4 episodes or if 2 of them would be animated, and to ask again in Spring after April (I can't find anything "after April" as a follow up)

http://doctorwhoworldwide.com/2013/11/08/underwater-menace-dvd-not-to-be-released-until-after-april/

 

[Candlelight]

The Lost in Time DVD set includes episode 2 of "The Evil of the Daleks" and episodes 3 & 6 of "The Wheel in Space." What you remember from "Wheel" sounds like what I've seen in the surviving episodes. However, what you're describing from "Evil" sounds like episode 6. I think there are only some clips from that known to survive.

I think he's describing episode 7 of "Evil." The reveal of the Emperor is the cliffhanger to episode 6, as I recall. There is a little bit of footage of the Dalek civil war from the finale; I think that's on the Lost in Time set as well.

The only official clip known to survive from Evil (other than ep2) is a brief clip from ep7 of two Daleks moving through the shattered control room. The shot is a model shot and is only 3 seconds long.

The footage of the final battle comes from an 8mm 'home movie' which was shot by the production team and is roughly 8-9 mins long. Half of it is fx footage, the other is the filming of the destruction of the emperor.

There is no footage of Trougton surviving from this serial other than the second episode.

 

[The Wormhole]

So whatever happened to the ep. of The Underwater Menace that was found last year?

I think the latest that was said about it is a DVD would be released in 2014, and then they said they wouldn't confirm wether it would have 2 or 4 episodes or if 2 of them would be animated, and to ask again in Spring after April (I can't find anything "after April" as a follow up)

http://doctorwhoworldwide.com/2013/11/08/underwater-menace-dvd-not-to-be-released-until-after-april/

Supposedly work had begun on animating the remaining missing episodes of Underwater Menace, but it was cancelled due to "higher priorities."

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Doctor-The-Underwater-Menace/19476

 

[starsuperion]

The Lost in Time DVD set includes episode 2 of "The Evil of the Daleks" and episodes 3 & 6 of "The Wheel in Space." What you remember from "Wheel" sounds like what I've seen in the surviving episodes. However, what you're describing from "Evil" sounds like episode 6. I think there are only some clips from that known to survive.

I think he's describing episode 7 of "Evil." The reveal of the Emperor is the cliffhanger to episode 6, as I recall. There is a little bit of footage of the Dalek civil war from the finale; I think that's on the Lost in Time set as well.

yes it was when the doctor and that guy with the glasses was running around trying to escape skaro and the daleks rush in as the smoke comes billowing up around the emperor. I remember that..

I wish they could find the celestial toy maker ones..

 

[Candlelight]

Mods (and regular posters), can I make the recommendation that this thread be renamed to Missing Episode Discussion Thread and that the thread be stickied to the top of the board? The 'wiped episode discoveries' part was really born from the nine episodes that were found last year and we haven't had any indication that anything else is coming anytime soon.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

Mods (and regular posters), can I make the recommendation that this thread be renamed to Missing Episode Discussion Thread and that the thread be stickied to the top of the board? The 'wiped episode discoveries' part was really born from the nine episodes that were found last year and we haven't had any indication that anything else is coming anytime soon.

I second that request.

 

[Brendan Moody]

So whatever happened to the ep. of The Underwater Menace that was found last year?

I think the latest that was said about it is a DVD would be released in 2014, and then they said they wouldn't confirm wether it would have 2 or 4 episodes or if 2 of them would be animated, and to ask again in Spring after April (I can't find anything "after April" as a follow up)

http://doctorwhoworldwide.com/2013/11/08/underwater-menace-dvd-not-to-be-released-until-after-april/

Supposedly work had begun on animating the remaining missing episodes of Underwater Menace, but it was cancelled due to "higher priorities."

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Doctor-The-Underwater-Menace/19476

The tweet on which that article was based is a little unclear. What happened was that Planet 55 Studios, the company that was working on the TUM animation, got commissioned to work on a children's series for the Australian Broadcasting Company. The need to devote their time and energy to that project may be the reason the TUM animation hasn't materialized yet, though that's just Steve Roberts' unconfirmed speculation. No one has outright said the animation is cancelled, and I imagine that unless the episodes have been/are found, it'll get done one way or another eventually.

I think renaming the thread is a good idea. Sending a PM may get the mods' attention faster.