Yep. Tony did play a very good game, but it also helped that he was up against Woo, who's only big move in the game was the wrong one.
Glad to hear there'll be no returning players next time but I'm not too keen on the Blood vs Water set-up.
Survivor 27 Discussion
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Yep. Tony did play a very good game, but it also helped that he was up against Woo, who's only big move in the game was the wrong one.
Glad to hear there'll be no returning players next time but I'm not too keen on the Blood vs Water set-up.
Great season. I was rooting for Spencer. Tony did deserve the win on game play, even though I don't like him.
It almost never works anymore for a coattail player to take the biggest mover and shaker to the end and hope to beat him or her on integrity/likability points. The mover and shaker has to be hated on a Russell Hantz level for that to work. Juries will usually reward the player who actually made the big moves and outplayed them over a player who was just a right-hand man or woman.
The jury was so bitter that it seemed like maybe they did have a Hantz level of hate for Tony - especially given Trish's speech, which I think sets a new benchmark for a heartfelt, anguished attack by a jury member - but then Spencer's speech seemingly turned it around. I wonder how the jury would have voted if Spencer hadn't done that. Kinda funny to think that Spencer's speech was about Woo being like a dog to Tony only to have the jury perhaps be like dogs to Spencer. Or myabe they would have put aside their bitterness and voted for Tony anyway, even without Spencer's speech. Who knows. Funnily enough, Tony looked more uncomfortable during Spencer's speech in support of him than he did while being attacked by the others.
There was a similar speech made by a juror to sway the rest of the jury in the Russell Hantz versus Natalie White finale, only that time it was against the power player and on behalf of the quieter player.
I liked that it was a final two. I'd like to see more seasons get down to a final two. I didn't like the live interjections during the finale prior to the reunion.
The casting turned out great this season. Five of the top six, for various reasons and to varying degrees, would be good return players in future seasons.
It almost never works anymore for a coattail player to take the biggest mover and shaker to the end and hope to beat him or her on integrity/likability points. The mover and shaker has to be hated on a Russell Hantz level for that to work. Juries will usually reward the player who actually made the big moves and outplayed them over a player who was just a right-hand man or woman.
The jury was so bitter that it seemed like maybe they did have a Hantz level of hate for Tony - especially given Trish's speech, which I think sets a new benchmark for a heartfelt, anguished attack by a jury member - but then Spencer's speech seemingly turned it around. I wonder how the jury would have voted if Spencer hadn't done that. Kinda funny to think that Spencer's speech was about Woo being like a dog to Tony only to have the jury perhaps be like dogs to Spencer. Or myabe they would have put aside their bitterness and voted for Tony anyway, even without Spencer's speech. Who knows. Funnily enough, Tony looked more uncomfortable during Spencer's speech in support of him than he did while being attacked by the others.
There was a similar speech made by a juror to sway the rest of the jury in the Russell Hantz versus Natalie White finale, only that time it was against the power player and on behalf of the quieter player.
I liked that it was a final two. I'd like to see more seasons get down to a final two. I didn't like the live interjections during the finale prior to the reunion.
The casting turned out great this season. Five of the top six, for various reasons and to varying degrees, would be good return players in future seasons.
Oh, god, forgot to mention that. Next season I am fast forwarding that crap. Made it pretty fucking obvious that Kass was going to win that immunity challenge too, couldn't have given me a few more seconds of hope for Spencer, could ya Jeff?
The difference between Russell Hantz and Tony though is that while they both made very dickish moves in the game, Tony was not dickish around camp, so even though they were angry they had positive memories of spending time with Tony.
I think the only reason they're doing BvW again is that they didn't get to do it the way they wanted to last time. They wanted an all blood tribe and an all water tribe, and couldn't do it because of a last minute cancellation that threw off the balance of people with blood relations and people without them.
I think the only reason they're doing BvW again is that they didn't get to do it the way they wanted to last time. They wanted an all blood tribe and an all water tribe, and couldn't do it because of a last minute cancellation that threw off the balance of people with blood relations and people without them.
Did anyone else think it was strange that Jeff never really talked to Kass during the reunion show? It was mentioned several times how she was a controversial player that shook up the game...and yet we don't hear one word from her. Not that I'm complaining, she's annoying as heck, but it did seem strange to me.
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It was also the first time in Survivor history that a player quit because she was afraid she was so riled up she would physically attack another player - and Jeff didn't ask her about it at the reunion. I thought that was odd, too.
It was also the first time in Survivor history that a player quit because she was afraid she was so riled up she would physically attack another player - and Jeff didn't ask her about it at the reunion. I thought that was odd, too.
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Its been the case for at least the last three seasons that he hasn't talked to everyone. They should do away with the interviews in the audience and focus on the players more.
Its been the case for at least the last three seasons that he hasn't talked to everyone. They should do away with the interviews in the audience and focus on the players more.
Of course it's going to include redemption island, the fact that a loved one could switch themselves out for another loved one was a critical element of blood v. water, and to be fair, i think was the one setting that actually made redemption island work relatively well. However, I'm hoping the difference will be that they don't have it after the merge, I think still having it after the merge was the bigger issue with the first blood v. water season
It's being reported that seasons 29 and 30 will both feature all new casts. That's surprising. I think almost everyone was expecting season 30, as a big anniversary season, to feature returning players. There had been rumors that season 30 would be the first all winners season.
I don't know, the all newbie cast suggests that the producers are actually listening to fan feedback, and if that's the case they won't have Redemption Island. 
An all winners season would be pretty awesome. Though then they risk not being able to age and gender balance the cast, or being forced to cast people like Vecepia or Natalie. I was kinda hoping or Heroes vs Villians II.
So, how long until we succumb to summer TV mediocrity syndrome and surrender to getting interested in Big Brother? We have a month grace period and the HBO series haven't ended yet. And maybe that show where 2% of the world's population vanishes suddenly isn't as dumb as it looks.
I wonder what Big Brother will be this summer. Models vs Actors? IQ 60s vs IQ 80s? Shallow vs Superficial? Horrible human being vs Incredibly horrible human being? Racist vs Sexist?
An all winners season would be pretty awesome. Though then they risk not being able to age and gender balance the cast, or being forced to cast people like Vecepia or Natalie. I was kinda hoping or Heroes vs Villians II.
So, how long until we succumb to summer TV mediocrity syndrome and surrender to getting interested in Big Brother? We have a month grace period and the HBO series haven't ended yet. And maybe that show where 2% of the world's population vanishes suddenly isn't as dumb as it looks.
I wonder what Big Brother will be this summer. Models vs Actors? IQ 60s vs IQ 80s? Shallow vs Superficial? Horrible human being vs Incredibly horrible human being? Racist vs Sexist?
Probst has confirmed that Redemption Island will be back next season. As others have noted, Blood vs. Water is the one context where RI is still a good, and maybe even necessary, element, at least in the pre-merge phase. Probst said there's going to be an adjustment in how the RI duels work next season, though he didn't say what the adjustment is going to be.
Aww, I'm a huge BB fan.
But my opinion of BB is that if you aren't going to go all in and obsess over the live feeds, then it's really not worth watching at all. The three hours a week on CBS are really just irrelevant fluff. The real show is the feeds and it's really very fascinating to me. There's so much more strategy going on than they could ever show in just three hours a week. And some of the personalities that they edit people into on the TV show are completely different than what they really are.I have to say though, that last season of BB was the worst one ever, and I think most fans will agree with that. I had to stop watching the feeds because the contestants just sickened me with the things they were saying. It was really bad. Racism and homophobia all over the place. But I swear it's not usually like that. I mean there will always be assholes in any situation, but last year was just ridiculous. But that's also part of why I love BB, people start to get comfortable and forget about the cameras and you start to see them as they really are - and sometimes they shine, and sometimes they are bigoted assholes.
But anyway, the rumor for this year was that it was going to be BB blood vs. water, but now that Survivor is doing it again that rumor has died down a bit.
I'm thinking (hoping) it will be an end to the three-person RI duels, since they received a lot of complaints about how that removed a lot of the drama and urgency of the duels compared to the two-person ones.
Anyway, well deserved win by Tony, though it came so close to being one of, if not the worst, final twos in the history of the show had it been Woo and Kass. Thankfully Woo Spiccoli is an honorable, unselfish, likeable, sportsmanlike, completely malleable idiot and made the wrong choice for himself but the right choice for viewers, or I would have turned off the TV in disgust. I think "Woo!" is the sound of the audience exhaling in delight that we didn't have to see Woo vs Kass in the final two. Woo still gets some money to pay for the wedding if his girlfriend accepts, so I'm glad for that, because he is a good guy, just a terrible player.
Also, while he's still a spoiled, entitled ass, props to Spencer for the assist to Tony against the ridiculously bitter jury. I still think enough of them would have given Tony the win in recognition of his effort versus Woo's total lack of strategy, but damn did they have me nervous there for a while. Also, my love of Tasha went down a notch when she was the only one who couldn't overcome her BJS and recognize that Tony was clearly the better player. Not a great player by any means, since not pissing off the jury needs to be part of your strategy too, and he really was a dick about it with all the swearing on people's lives and such, but he was clearly the superior player over Woo and most of the others with the possibility of Spencer.
Aww, I'm a huge BB fan.
I have to say though, that last season of BB was the worst one ever, and I think most fans will agree with that. I had to stop watching the feeds because the contestants just sickened me with the things they were saying. It was really bad. Racism and homophobia all over the place. But I swear it's not usually like that. I mean there will always be assholes in any situation, but last year was just ridiculous. But that's also part of why I love BB, people start to get comfortable and forget about the cameras and you start to see them as they really are - and sometimes they shine, and sometimes they are bigoted assholes.
Ok, to be fair, BB can be enjoyable when they have a good cast. That just happens so rarely it's a surprise when it does. I agree the live feeds show you a lot more depth than the broadcast, but I haven't paid for the feeds since season 2. My most memorable moment from the feeds was when Will suggested Nicole be simultaneously made love to by himself, Mike and Bunky. And not in a mean way, more like a funny way.
But I also heard that Jeff said that if Dumbledore were gay he shouldn't be allowed around children. They are just usually so terrible at casting the show it's nearly impossible to find a single person to root for.
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That's a shame. I don't object to the mechanic of Redemption Island, so much as I think it wastes way too much screen time that should be spent on getting to know the people better.
Has anyone seen other countries' version of the Apprentice? I only saw one episode of the UK version, but it seemed in that episode like they actually focused on the interesting parts of the business strategy instead of the catty board room drama. Maybe that's worth looking into for my elimination game fix.
I was disappointed when Expedition Impossible only got one season. (It was a summer series that was Amazing Race but hard).
They've changed their minds and ditched Redemption Island for the next season. They've come up with a new twist that they'll spring on the contestants instead.
Whew! That's a relief! After this season, which was one of the best I've seen, I was dreading a return to Redemption Island. Hopefully this new twist will be something fun.
