Game of Thrones 4.6 - "The Laws of Gods and Men" - Rate and discuss
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Lots happening in this episode. Almost episodic. Lord Varys is perhaps my favorite character after Tyrion.
Lots happening in this episode. Almost episodic. Lord Varys is perhaps my favorite character after Tyrion.
Absolute stupid bitch.
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Recall that at the pre-wedding breakfast when Cersei pointed her out to Tywin, he said she was to be brought to him at the Tower of the Hand... if that happened, then perhaps she was made an offer she couldn't refuse. We still don't know if Bronn really put her on the ship or not, for example.
Recall that at the pre-wedding breakfast when Cersei pointed her out to Tywin, he said she was to be brought to him at the Tower of the Hand... if that happened, then perhaps she was made an offer she couldn't refuse. We still don't know if Bronn really put her on the ship or not, for example.
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Also, this being the world of Game of Thrones, it's entirely possible that Bronn sold Tyrion out.. simple as that.
He may like Tyrion personally but Tyrions star has been falling rapidly and Bronn might have decided to jump ship while he still could.. people make these kinds of decisions all the time in this world.
Also, this being the world of Game of Thrones, it's entirely possible that Bronn sold Tyrion out.. simple as that.
He may like Tyrion personally but Tyrions star has been falling rapidly and Bronn might have decided to jump ship while he still could.. people make these kinds of decisions all the time in this world.
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So, there was this outtake of Dinklage goofing around during the filming of this week’s episode, and *of course* youtubers have edited it back in…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvHK6blDJaQ
So, there was this outtake of Dinklage goofing around during the filming of this week’s episode, and *of course* youtubers have edited it back in…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvHK6blDJaQ
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Funny stuff, lol
Funny stuff, lol
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I haven't read the books nor knew the name of the next episode. I merely thought Tyrion could hit two birds with one stone by choosing Oberyn, Tyrion lives and Oberyn gets his revenge (should Tywin pick the Mountain which he likely would).
I haven't read the books nor knew the name of the next episode. I merely thought Tyrion could hit two birds with one stone by choosing Oberyn, Tyrion lives and Oberyn gets his revenge (should Tywin pick the Mountain which he likely would).
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So yeah, why would he choose Oberyn? From Tyrion's point of view and current state of mind, in which it's clear he doesn't even really care if he lives or dies.
I just don't understand why Tyrion would care about Oberyn having a chance at his revenge, not in the state of mind he was in when he made the decision to request a trial by combat. Choosing Jaime would hurt his father the most; either Jaime wins and Tyrion is freed, or Tywin loses both of his male heirs. The only problem is that he does care for Jaime, so risking his life would be the only reason he wouldn't choose him. But... he had lost it at that point, too.
So yeah, why would he choose Oberyn? From Tyrion's point of view and current state of mind, in which it's clear he doesn't even really care if he lives or dies.
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Did you guys watch the same scene I did? Did no one pay attention to Shae's performance? It was exceedingly obvious she was coached and coerced into saying what she did. Just seeing the smile creep across Cersei's face made it clear just who had done the coaching. Unless she'd been playing Tyrion all along, the only conclusion one could really draw is that she was forced under duress to go along with this, perhaps with the promise that Tyrion's life would be spared in exchange for her cooperation. Whether there's more in it for her than merely her own life remains to be seen, of course.
Lots happening in this episode. Almost episodic. Lord Varys is perhaps my favorite character after Tyrion.
Absolute stupid bitch.
Did you guys watch the same scene I did? Did no one pay attention to Shae's performance? It was exceedingly obvious she was coached and coerced into saying what she did. Just seeing the smile creep across Cersei's face made it clear just who had done the coaching. Unless she'd been playing Tyrion all along, the only conclusion one could really draw is that she was forced under duress to go along with this, perhaps with the promise that Tyrion's life would be spared in exchange for her cooperation. Whether there's more in it for her than merely her own life remains to be seen, of course.
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I don't know.. she seemed at times to be really naive and didn't realize the danger she was in if she stayed with Tyrion.
Tyrion breaking her heart was a noble thing but that's only because we, the viewers, know about his ultimate intention but Shae didn't realize this and only heard the man she loved call her a whore.
That must have bred resentment in her and it wouldn't be a stretch to believe she'd agree to perjury to hurt him back, might not even take money to convince her.
I don't know.. she seemed at times to be really naive and didn't realize the danger she was in if she stayed with Tyrion.
Tyrion breaking her heart was a noble thing but that's only because we, the viewers, know about his ultimate intention but Shae didn't realize this and only heard the man she loved call her a whore.
That must have bred resentment in her and it wouldn't be a stretch to believe she'd agree to perjury to hurt him back, might not even take money to convince her.
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I think Shea is just a scorned woman. Besides, by going along, it would only help Tyrion get the death sentence. That's not something someone would do to help spare them.
I think Shea is just a scorned woman. Besides, by going along, it would only help Tyrion get the death sentence. That's not something someone would do to help spare them.
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But that's politics. Her testimony conclusively "proving" Tyrion did the deed ensures a conviction, and she may have been promised that Tyrion's life would be spared if (and only if) she helped convict him. Not to mention her own life, which is worthless in Westeros thanks to her line of work. If she didn't cooperate, no one would waste a thought on her fate and she knows it.
But that's politics. Her testimony conclusively "proving" Tyrion did the deed ensures a conviction, and she may have been promised that Tyrion's life would be spared if (and only if) she helped convict him. Not to mention her own life, which is worthless in Westeros thanks to her line of work. If she didn't cooperate, no one would waste a thought on her fate and she knows it.
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^I think Shea is smart enough not to trust Cersei. What would stop her from letting Tyrion loose his head, her word? Cersei would probably kill Shea after the verdict, and Shea would know that after Tyrion's many warnings. Plus, (IIRC) Tyrion bought Shea a house across the sea (forgot which city) where she could live a "comfortable life". The only reason I see for her coming back was for retribution.
^I think Shea is smart enough not to trust Cersei. What would stop her from letting Tyrion loose his head, her word? Cersei would probably kill Shea after the verdict, and Shea would know that after Tyrion's many warnings. Plus, (IIRC) Tyrion bought Shea a house across the sea (forgot which city) where she could live a "comfortable life". The only reason I see for her coming back was for retribution.
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Well, we don't know what happened--whether Bronn delivered her to Cersei because Cersei paid him off, or what. I just think it's naive to assume Shae had much of a choice. As I said, prostitutes in Westeros are treated as essentially subhuman, not worth wasting a thought on should one die.
Well, we don't know what happened--whether Bronn delivered her to Cersei because Cersei paid him off, or what. I just think it's naive to assume Shae had much of a choice. As I said, prostitutes in Westeros are treated as essentially subhuman, not worth wasting a thought on should one die.
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Yeah, it doesn't really make sense from the perspective that Tyrion at all gives a shit about Oberyn or his grudge. Chances are that just like at the Eyrie the person against Tyrion will be picked first. And if that is Gregor Clegane, then it might make sense that Oberyn would then volunteer to defend Tyrion. But I don't know exactly how one could have sussed that out without knowledge of the episode title or books.
Yeah, it doesn't really make sense from the perspective that Tyrion at all gives a shit about Oberyn or his grudge. Chances are that just like at the Eyrie the person against Tyrion will be picked first. And if that is Gregor Clegane, then it might make sense that Oberyn would then volunteer to defend Tyrion. But I don't know exactly how one could have sussed that out without knowledge of the episode title or books.
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I haven't read up to this point in the book so the Oberyn/Gregor fight is pure speculation on my part. Imo, it makes perfect sense and I really see no other option. First, like you said, if the challenger is picked first it will almost certainly be the Mountain. He is Tywin's right hand man when it comes to death dealing so he is the perfect choice for that combatant. Tywin could also have another reason I'll get to in a minute. As far as Tyrion's champion, let's start with Bronn. When Shea comes into the trial, the first thing that popped in my head was Bronn was bought off by Cersei and delivered Shea to her. Tyrion is a smart guy and I would assume thinks the same thing. Jamie being chosen would be a death sentence for him and Tyrion knows this. No way he could win a fight in his current condition. Now we come to Oberyn. The moment the Mountain is picked, he'll be jumping up and down wanting to fight to avenge his sister... and Tywin may know this. Tywin knows picking the Mountain will get Oberyn's panties in a twist. This is then a win-win for Tywin. If the Mountain loses, Jamie is at least saved and the Lannister bloodline has a chance to continue. If the Mountain wins, Oberyn is likely dead, who is a threat to Tywin and is now removed. If also gets rid of his disgraceful son. Also, when Tyrion says he wants trial by combat, they cut to Oberyn who leans forward in his chair a little. I think they did this to foreshadow a little. Oberyn also seemed to have maybe a little bit of respect for Tyrion based on their conversations together. This whole idea popped in my head the second Tyrion said he wanted trial by combat and the whole scenario makes too much sense not to happen.