I like STID. Is that wrong?

[LOKAI of CHERON]

Mind you neither of these 'writing problems' are worse than the writing problems in the other Trek movies. Like Data pieces suddenly being able to be detected light years away (in NEM) or the Briar Patch or Genesis or the Nexus (nothing could be wackier than that)

Yeah, but those three films sucked. Claiming that Into Darkness is better than Generations, Insurrection, or Nemesis is just damning it with false praise.

OK then.

STID is a terrific, highly entertaining return to everything I continue to love about TOS, and is CONSIDERABLY better than GEN, INS and NEM.

Absolutely no false praise to be found in this post, just a clear and ringing endorsement of Star Trek's best output in years and years.

 

[Set Harth]

For all the audience knew, Khan Noonien Singh in the Abramsverse could have been a woman or child - of any race or color - or an android, or alien, or 'something' that just took the name. Yet, classic Spock gives a load of exposition without reason.

wat

 

[BigJake]

Absolutely no false praise to be found in this post, just a clear and ringing endorsement of Star Trek's best output in years and years.

So that raises the interesting question: what are the elements about STID that raise it for you above the admittedly terrible films to which you just compared its story flaws? Presumably that wouldn't be the story?

 

[Kelthaz]

Mind you neither of these 'writing problems' are worse than the writing problems in the other Trek movies. Like Data pieces suddenly being able to be detected light years away (in NEM) or the Briar Patch or Genesis or the Nexus (nothing could be wackier than that)

Yeah, but those three films sucked. Claiming that Into Darkness is better than Generations, Insurrection, or Nemesis is just damning it with false praise.

OK then.

STID is a terrific, highly entertaining return to everything I continue to love about TOS, and is CONSIDERABLY better than GEN, INS and NEM.

Absolutely no false praise to be found in this post, just a clear and ringing endorsement of Star Trek's best output in years and years.

Well that was random.

 

[BillJ]

Absolutely no false praise to be found in this post, just a clear and ringing endorsement of Star Trek's best output in years and years.

So that raises the interesting question: what are the elements about STID that raise it for you above the admittedly terrible films to which you just compared its story flaws? Presumably that wouldn't be the story?

Part story (even if flawed), part acting, part scope, part effects and part sense of fun.

 

[Kelthaz]

Absolutely no false praise to be found in this post, just a clear and ringing endorsement of Star Trek's best output in years and years.

So that raises the interesting question: what are the elements about STID that raise it for you above the admittedly terrible films to which you just compared its story flaws? Presumably that wouldn't be the story?

Part story (even if flawed), part acting, part scope, part effects and part sense of fun.

I didn't care for Into Darkness, but I still agree with this post. All these points are why Into Darkness is better than those three crappy TNG films.

 

[Joel_Kirk]

For all the audience knew, Khan Noonien Singh in the Abramsverse could have been a woman or child - of any race or color - or an android, or alien, or 'something' that just took the name. Yet, classic Spock gives a load of exposition without reason.

wat

'Wat?' Wat you mean 'wat?' I tell you wat:

In the context of the film, when John Harrison made his great reveal...Kirk, Spock, and McCoy should have said, "Okaaay. And, why should we care?"

We, as the audience, are familiar with 'Khan' from the other universe. Yet, these characters are just being introduced to him. Moreover, classic Spock is being asked about 'Khan' without any context of who 'Khan' is in this nuUniverse.

That's waaaat.

Mind you neither of these 'writing problems' are worse than the writing problems in the other Trek movies. Like Data pieces suddenly being able to be detected light years away (in NEM) or the Briar Patch or Genesis or the Nexus (nothing could be wackier than that)

Yeah, but I expected a lot more from the production crew especially since it was 'wiping the slate clean' and venturing to areas not explored. With the way they're going, the films will come off as something to pass the time rather than pieces of cinema where people will take notice. Hopefully, with Orci and Kurtzman gone, part 3 will be an improvement.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Mind you neither of these 'writing problems' are worse than the writing problems in the other Trek movies. Like Data pieces suddenly being able to be detected light years away (in NEM) or the Briar Patch or Genesis or the Nexus (nothing could be wackier than that)

Yeah, but those three films sucked. Claiming that Into Darkness is better than Generations, Insurrection, or Nemesis is just damning it with false praise.

Last time I checked, "Genesis" was part of TWOK and TSFS.

 

[Kelthaz]

Mind you neither of these 'writing problems' are worse than the writing problems in the other Trek movies. Like Data pieces suddenly being able to be detected light years away (in NEM) or the Briar Patch or Genesis or the Nexus (nothing could be wackier than that)

Yeah, but those three films sucked. Claiming that Into Darkness is better than Generations, Insurrection, or Nemesis is just damning it with false praise.

Last time I checked, "Genesis" was part of TWOK and TSFS.

I figured he was talking about the TNG episode "Genesis". Although that's an awesome episode; I don't get the hate.

 

[2takesfrakes]

I think STAR TREK: Into Darkness ... is COOL!!!

I'm so glad that Khan was "reimagined," I guess, if you like, as a European, because it now makes it about the character instead of the actor - where the focus needs to be. And Alice Eve is perfect as Carol Marcus! What a find she was. You know I am not really crazy about blondes, in general, but when she dropped her drawers I was interested to see ...

 

[Smellmet]

I'm firmly in 'like' camp, I think STID is a hugely entertaining movie. Yes it has it's problems and things you can nitpick, which for me are limited to the casting of BC in the role (should have resembled Montalban, end of) even though he was awesome in the material he was given, the TWOK stuff I didn't like at first but I can see what they were aiming at upon re-watching it, the 2 mins to Quo'nos and the Spock Khaaaan yell, and that's about it for me.

I haven't felt the same way upon leaving the theatre since Terminator 2, I was completely pumped and buzzing, having had that great feeling of being on a ride for the last couple of hours that for me only the very best blockbusters give you.

As a piece of The Star Trek universe, STID can be debated and picked apart forever.

As a piece of popcorn entertainment STID delivers in spades.

 

[Mudd]

Mind you neither of these 'writing problems' are worse than the writing problems in the other Trek movies. Like Data pieces suddenly being able to be detected light years away (in NEM) or the Briar Patch or Genesis or the Nexus (nothing could be wackier than that)

Yeah, but those three films sucked. Claiming that Into Darkness is better than Generations, Insurrection, or Nemesis is just damning it with false praise.

It's better than all but about one - two, to be generous - of the oldTrek movies. Better?

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

Absolutely no false praise to be found in this post, just a clear and ringing endorsement of Star Trek's best output in years and years.

So that raises the interesting question: what are the elements about STID that raise it for you above the admittedly terrible films to which you just compared its story flaws?

No, I didn't make any story comparisons at all, flaws or otherwise.

For me, as a fairly long in the tooth 45 year old TOS aficionado of decades standing, I feel both the Abramsverse movies, particularly STID, encapsulate the pure sense of fun, colourful adventure and energy inherent in the series I hold so dear. The complete antithesis of NEM - a horribly dull clunker bringing all the worst aspects of Berman Trek together in one movie.

In a very tangible way, ST09 and STID is like having "my" Star Trek back!

Yeah, but those three films sucked. Claiming that Into Darkness is better than Generations, Insurrection, or Nemesis is just damning it with false praise.

OK then.

STID is a terrific, highly entertaining return to everything I continue to love about TOS, and is CONSIDERABLY better than GEN, INS and NEM.

Absolutely no false praise to be found in this post, just a clear and ringing endorsement of Star Trek's best output in years and years.

Well that was random.

I don't agree.

 

[BigJake]

No, I didn't make any story comparisons at all, flaws or otherwise.

Got you mixed up with CommishSleer, sorry.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I'm not sure how many people here realize that most of the loyal TOS fanbase was, in fact, TEENAGERS when they adopted the franchise and grew into adulthood watching the reruns. It may simply be forgotten that TOS wasn't actually that mature or well-developed of a TV series, it just SEEMED that way to fans who saw it as youngsters and thought it was the coolest thing ever. Not saying it didn't have its moments of pure awesome epicness, just saying: in more ways than we want to admit, it was a show that appealed mostly to KIDS.

Fifty-somethings in the room, be honest: how many of YOUR PARENTS got into Star Trek around the same time you did?

NuTrek gets flamed by adult fans who have forgotten that TOS wasn't originally all that popular with adults in the first place. The movies have been designed to appeal mostly to teenagers and young adults, who otherwise are totally alienated from science fiction outside of Star Wars and comic books. I don't think it's a departure from Star Trek at all, I think it's a return to the original formula of TOS in a way that's never been attempted before: a film that ISN'T trying to be serious or technically sound as much as really really awesome to watch.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

No, I didn't make any story comparisons at all, flaws or otherwise.

Got you mixed up with CommishSleer, sorry.

No worries at all, BigJake!

 

[M'Sharak]

Fifty-somethings in the room, be honest: how many of YOUR PARENTS got into Star Trek around the same time you did?

NuTrek gets flamed by adult fans who have forgotten that TOS wasn't originally all that popular with adults in the first place.

I'm pretty sure that it was aimed at an adult audience when the show was in production, though failure to account for the under-21 (or under-18?) demographic in compiling viewer ratings was part of what led to the show's move to a less-desirable time-slot and eventual cancellation for low ratings.

That said, Star Trek was weekly viewing for the whole family in our house.

 

[Kelthaz]

Mind you neither of these 'writing problems' are worse than the writing problems in the other Trek movies. Like Data pieces suddenly being able to be detected light years away (in NEM) or the Briar Patch or Genesis or the Nexus (nothing could be wackier than that)

Yeah, but those three films sucked. Claiming that Into Darkness is better than Generations, Insurrection, or Nemesis is just damning it with false praise.

It's better than all but about one - two, to be generous - of the oldTrek movies. Better?

It's better than all but four of the oldTrek films, but I'll compromise on three.

 

[thumbtack]

nuTrek is the first Trek I've liked since DS9 ended.

 

[Noname Given]

Fifty-somethings in the room, be honest: how many of YOUR PARENTS got into Star Trek around the same time you did?

Okay, I'll bite (I'm 52 - saw the TOS third season first run - at least that's my earliest memory of episode watching I remember - I was 6 at that time).

Actually, my mother and father were part of the group that saw "The Cage" pilot at the preview house Desilu booked to gauge audience reaction. Her memories from that viewing included EVERYONE in the test group laughing when Mr. Spock appeared as she felt the pointed ears looked ridiculous; and also (no lie); she thought having a woman as second in Command was ridiculous too. (She wasn't against Women's Lib per se; but no, she didn't think a woman should be second in Command of a military space ship (which is how the ship and crew seemed to her.) She was mildly interested though and when STar trek finally made it on to the air, she caught a few episodes; and as I was growing up, I was interested in NASA and the space program (and manned Moon shots); so she was the one who first turned the TV to 'Star Trek' one night, and I was hooked.

As to my father, I found out they got invited to see the Star Trek pilot because he knew on of the carpenters who worked on construction of the sets; and money was tight, so to him, it was a free 'movie' of sorts; and my mother was complaining he didn't take her out much anymore after I was born, etc. He found the whole thing ridiculous, (but he was never into science fiction; he preferred cop shows and comedies.)

Still, I agree with you in that 'Star Trek' (despite GR's later insistence that 'Star Trek' was 'always about social issues') had as many more 'out there' and sometimes ridiculous episodes; then the ones with either a good literate plot/and or a social commentary.

That why I laugh when some fans try to claim (about TOS) -- "Star Trek was NEVER about action/adventure; and was ALWAYS 'socially relevant...'; as that ISN'T true. There's plenty of episodes where 'action/adventure' is the drux of the story <-- And nothing wrong with that (IMO).

BTW - I love TOS. IMO for me it's still the BEST series in what has become 'the franchise' - and yes, it like everything else was never perfect; but I take the good, the bad, and the ridiculous as part of the whole entertaining package - and I love it for what it actually is, and not what GR (and some more modern fans who take some entertainment TOO seriously) likes to claim it is.

That why I feel 'Star Trek' (2009) and 'Star Trek Into Darkness' are a good, fun, and entertaining update/modernization of old school TOS because both films DID do a good job of incorporating everything that made the original TOS enjoyable for me over the years.