Lucasfilm announces a new direction for the Star Wars EU

[dansigal]

Books have been tied in with the films before. This is really nothing new.

Where did I say it was? What I said was that it was different than the EU, so it's wrong to compare them to the EU when discussing how they fit in as canon.

 

[Hound of UIster]

Collaboration between the novels and tv show existed prior to this. Traviss wrote novels for the TCW for example.

 

[dansigal]

Collaboration between the novels and tv show existed prior to this. Traviss wrote novels for the TCW for example.

Ah ok, I misread that myself, I see what you guys are saying. my bad on that. That being said, I still think this is different scenario in that they are being written specifically to inform the new material.

 

[Tulin]

The 4 new books will be canon about as much as the old EU was. In other words, until contradicted in a movie.

Uh, that's not at all how it worked before.

They way they did it was with a hierarchical, multi-tiered system of "canon" that determined what could override what.

Thank you.

You are the first person I have actually see bring this up.

I thought everybody knew this?

 

[publiusr]

^ That's from BioWare's The Old Republic MMORPG.

Specifically, it's from the pre-release cinematic trailer "Return," which depicted the first re-appearance of the Sith Empire since the Great Hyperspace War.

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I love that proto-star destroyer's flying buttresses at around 5:14 !

The detail is just great.

One could always say the new movies are post Crucible, with Chewie having escaped in some way. I'm sure one could do a, EU story to explain the difference away due to a time travel event--

"Like I've said, the 3 good movies are nice, but they didn't make me a big SW fan, the EU did."

That's fine Kirk5--just give this new movie line a chance..

 

[ATimson]

One could always say the new movies are post Crucible, with Chewie having escaped in some way. I'm sure one could do a, EU story to explain the difference away due to a time travel event--

It'd be the first "real" use of time travel in the EU, though (since flow-walking doesn't seem to result in changes to the timeline). I think abandoning the old storyline is probably the better choice there.

 

[AgentCoop]

Time travel doesn't belong in the Star Wars universe, in my opinion.

 

[Relayer1]

It wouldn't be impossible to imagine a 'final' novel where via flow walking some small tweak is made to the continuum that sets the post Jediverse on a new path...

 

[Turtletrekker]

^Sounds like Flashpoint/Nu52.

 

[Aldo]

That's fine Kirk5--just give this new movie line a chance..

Don't bother. It's like talking to a brick wall.

 

[Set Harth]

Time travel doesn't belong in the Star Wars universe, in my opinion.

I agree.

 

[JoeZhang]

The 4 new books will be canon about as much as the old EU was. In other words, until contradicted in a movie.

Uh, that's not at all how it worked before.

They way they did it was with a hierarchical, multi-tiered system of "canon" that determined what could override what.

Thank you.

You are the first person I have actually see bring this up.

I thought everybody knew this?

No normal person - they worked on the basis of 'them films' and that was it - level g72 of sub-section 4 of paragraph a of the holly thingy meant nothing to most people.

 

[Masiral]

One could always say the new movies are post Crucible, with Chewie having escaped in some way. I'm sure one could do a, EU story to explain the difference away due to a time travel event--

It'd be the first "real" use of time travel in the EU, though (since flow-walking doesn't seem to result in changes to the timeline). I think abandoning the old storyline is probably the better choice there.

Actually, the novel Crosscurrent uses time travel (essentially characters from the pre-KOTOR era are flung forward to just after Legacy of the Force after being stuck in hyperspace). It was a one-way trip and

Spoiler: Crosscurrent

they all died.

 

[Reverend]

^While technically correct, I don't think many people would count travelling forwards in time as a "time travel story". I mean everyone does that, no?
I'd say it's more of a temporal displacement story, like say 'The Forever War'....or 'Captain America'.

Uh, that's not at all how it worked before.

They way they did it was with a hierarchical, multi-tiered system of "canon" that determined what could override what.

Thank you.

You are the first person I have actually see bring this up.

I thought everybody knew this?

No normal person - they worked on the basis of 'them films' and that was it - level g72 of sub-section 4 of paragraph a of the holly thingy meant nothing to most people.

Anyone that ever had a nose around the Wookiepedia should have at least encountered that gobbledegook system. That's certainly where I discovered it.

 

[Mr Light]

As I recall, the "time travel" in Cross-Current was just them reaching near light speed velocity time dilation so that they traveled centuries into the future while only perceiving the passage of moments.

 

[Masiral]

^That is probably a better description of it.

 

[chardman]

After reading Kirk5's posts, I may just have to start using this avatar again...

 

[Aldo]

That avatar is so awesome!

 

[publiusr]

That's fine Kirk5--just give this new movie line a chance..

Don't bother. It's like talking to a brick wall.

Personally, were I JJ Abrams, I would have Han and Leia the only beings on Coruscant allowed to build on that one bare patch not covered in skyscrapers--looking very much like the little old lady surrounded by skyscrapers
http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/nail-houses-stubborn-owners-re-88403

Both putter about the house, and are visited by Luke. Han can't seem to get his blaster together after cleaning it.

Luke leaves but blaster fire is heard, and he returns to find two charred corpses...."Not again," he says, before being cut down himself.

 

[Photoman15]

You know, JJ Abrams wasn't even able to kill off the Prime Star Trek Universe, we still get books with Picard, Sisko, etc. But, he has officially killed my favorite Sci Fi book universe. Yes Disney made the decision and JJ probably had nothing to do with it, but its his movies that have caused this, so he gets to be the face of this disaster to me.

The EU has always made the Star Wars universe great for me, not the three good movies and 3 bad movies. Many of my favorite Star Wars characters never showed up in a movie. Every truly great Star wars story (like The Thrawn Trilogy) was done in the expanded universe. The movies were definitely important, but even the original trilogy, as great as it is, can't hold a candle to the stuff that came out of it in the EU.

This is it, the whole Star Wars franchise is completely dead, it doesn't even get a book life line like Trek has. Instead, its all JJ/Disney Wars, all the time! With books made for non fans, just like the movies are made for non fans. Screw the large amount of EU fans (and regardless of what EU fans will tell you, the EU seems to make more than enough money to be profitable, and it has a lot of fans), you get a bunch of tie in crap that follows movies made by a 3rd rate action movie director and a few hack writers.

You know, say what you want about the Transformers movies, but Michael Bay's movies didn't eliminate the possibility of unconnected comics or tv shows. Abrams ruining the movies has nuked a well loved franchise worse than freaking Michael Bay could ever do. I will now literally only have Star Trek to give me any good new tie-in Sci-Fi in book form. There is nothing like being a Sci Fi fan and having every thing you enjoy in the genre being slowly destroyed by one a-hole's work. At least he won't get his hack claws on Doctor Who, the only remaining sci fi franchise I really like that is still active now (thank god Firefly and Babylon 5 are far, far away from hacks and corporate idiots at this point).

I'll still collect the old stuff and read that, but SW is dead, outside of a possible few last books it will no longer produce anything worthwhile. The work of a huge amount of writers, many of them very good, thrown away without a second thought, outside of maybe a few names and a reference here or there. That's one and a half franchises ruined in about 5 years, I don't think anyone has massacred Sci Fi like JJ Abrams. It is a horrible time to be a Sci Fi fan, and there doesn't seem to be any hope of a recovery for the two biggest Sci Fi franchises.

JJ has been hired to DIRECT one movie in the trilogy (so far). None of this is on him and anyone who thinks so is.............