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[Sto-Vo-Kory]

Slightly off topic:

Does anyone have any information on the new ebook being offered by Amazon for release this October -- "Star Trek: TNG: Q Are Cordially Uninvited" by Rudy Josephs?

I don't remember it being announced. It appears to be new and not a re-issue, but I could be mistaken.

Sorry to derail this thread but I didn't want to create a new thread just for one question.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Slightly off topic:

Does anyone have any information on the new ebook being offered by Amazon for release this October -- "Star Trek: TNG: Q Are Cordially Uninvited" by Rudy Josephs?

From the eBook line, "a TNG book featuring Q at Picard and Crusher's wedding..."

http://www.thetrekcollective.com/2014/01/margaret-clark-spills-beans-on-trek-lit.html

 

[Defcon]

Margaret Clark mentioned it in her interview with Literary Treks a couple of months ago. It's about the Picard/Crusher wedding IIRC.

 

[JD]

I don't remember hearing about that one. I must have overlooked it during the news story about the interview. The only thing I've read that Rudy Josephs wrote is the Picard story in Shards and Shadows, the MU short story anthology, so I am a little more cautious about this than I would be if someone like David Mack, Dayton Ward, or Christopher L. Bennett were writing it.

 

[Enterprise1701]

I would hardly call Spock Prime's vow to not interfere exclusively defined as he helped rebuilt Vulcan society on New Vulcan. Say, what's he been up to anyway? He left New Vulcan just before After Darkness, which takes place in early 2260. The Q Gambit will probably begin just a couple months after The Khitomer Conflict, which concludes on the 17th of July 2261 if the stardates work as they should. The interview doesn't make it clear where Spock encounters Q, but what has Spock been doing all this time?

Has anyone read Q & A recently? My memory on it is a little hazy, but if I recall correctly, didn't it mention that all the alternate Enterprise-Es' Picards had encounters with Q, meaning that in the novelverse Q is a multiversal singularity?

 

[USS Triumphant]

I would hardly call Spock Prime's vow to not interfere exclusively defined as he helped rebuilt Vulcan society on New Vulcan.

Personally, I think Spock Prime's "vow" is a bunch of BS, a tactic on his part because he has a reason not to want to give Starfleet all of the information he possesses, and so he's blowing them off with a Prime-Directive-like reason that he knows they will at least officially buy into. He's probably still having to deal with agents from Section 31 and the like harassing and trying to coerce him on a regular basis. And I figure he's probably dealing with some of the imminent threats that he knows about, himself or with a small team of trusted people. I mean, his words to nuSpock in STID basically amounted to "I've sworn not to tell anyone. Now, let's dish a little." But it's not a lie. It's a choice.

 

[Enterprise1701]

^You'd think that Section 31 would have kidnapped him and gotten their best Vulcan officer to forcibly extract all of his 24th century knowledge.

 

[Christopher]

Err, why is that a problem? It is "After Darkness," after all.

 

[Sto-Vo-Kory]

Slightly off topic:

Does anyone have any information on the new ebook being offered by Amazon for release this October -- "Star Trek: TNG: Q Are Cordially Uninvited" by Rudy Josephs?

From the eBook line, "a TNG book featuring Q at Picard and Crusher's wedding..."

http://www.thetrekcollective.com/2014/01/margaret-clark-spills-beans-on-trek-lit.html

Margaret Clark mentioned it in her interview with Literary Treks a couple of months ago. It's about the Picard/Crusher wedding IIRC.

Thanks for the replies, Therin, Defcon.

 

[The Wormhole]

I mean, his words to nuSpock in STID basically amounted to "I've sworn not to tell anyone. Now, let's dish a little." But it's not a lie. It's a choice.

I prefer the wording "I have sworn a solemn vow never to discuss the future with you. But since you're asking, I'll make an exception."

 

[BritishSeaPower]

I assumed that that was Spock using a semantic trick to get around it. "I promised never to tell anyone about the future. But since you're me, it's like telling myself."

 

[Christopher]

I think the idea was that Spock chose to make an exception because Khan was an exceptional menace and it was therefore justified. I think that's giving Khan more credit than he perhaps deserves -- as arch-nemeses go, he didn't really accomplish that much in the grand scheme of things -- but one hopes it means that Spock Prime would be willing to provide some advance warning of other sufficiently massive threats such as the Doomsday Machine, Nomad, V'Ger, the Whale Probe, etc.

 

[Stevil2001]

Khan Prime may have not accomplished a ton... but he is the only person to kill Spock Prime.

 

[Christopher]

Khan Prime may have not accomplished a ton... but he is the only person to kill Spock Prime.

Yeah, but it didn't take.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I think the idea was that Spock chose to make an exception because Khan was an exceptional menace and it was therefore justified. I think that's giving Khan more credit than he perhaps deserves

Well he did come close to killing all of them and stealing the Enterprise to menace the galaxy with on their first meeting with the crew pretty much defeating him by the skin of their teeth.

And then he came back and nearly killed all of them again and was close to having a weapon of mass destruction to unleash on the galaxy.

Seriously most guys don't even get the first chance to almost kill let let alone second.

 

[Enterprise1701]

Don't forget that by Spock Prime's memory Khan shouldn't have been back in action for another 8 years.

 

[Stevil2001]

I'd wager that, whether or not it takes, dying is something you remember as being pretty significant, even if you're a Vulcan.

 

[The Wormhole]

Khan Prime may have not accomplished a ton... but he is the only person to kill Spock Prime.

So does that mean that if Scotty Prime were to somehow end up in the Abramsverse, he'd warn Pegg Scotty about Nomad?

Hmm. Shit, this has me thinking.

Pegg Scotty: "Hey, Mr. Scott. I don't suppose you remember anything about a Nomad Probe do ya?"
Doohan Scotty: "Aye, lad that one was a doozy. Like you know, I swore never to reveal my future to you. A Scotsman follows his own path in life, and does not copy his doppelganger from another reality. But Nomad was a threat like no other we encountered. Well, actually there was another very similar..."
Pegg Scotty: "But you defeated it? Nomad that is, not whatever the other thing was you were on about?"
Doohan Scotty: "Aye, we defeated it. But at a serious cost."

Then, I suppose Nomad ends up killing then resurrecting Keenser.

 

[Christopher]

Well he did come close to killing all of them and stealing the Enterprise to menace the galaxy with on their first meeting with the crew pretty much defeating him by the skin of their teeth.

And then he came back and nearly killed all of them again and was close to having a weapon of mass destruction to unleash on the galaxy.

Yeah, but was he really the most dangerous foe Spock Prime ever faced? He encountered foes who commanded armies, like Kor and (later in life) Sela. He faced beings with godlike powers such as Gary Mitchell, Trelane, and Apollo. He encountered other entities with plans for galactic conquest, including Garth of Izar, the Kelvans, and the androids of both Exo III and Mudd's Planet. And as I mentioned, he faced artifacts with the power to exterminate whole worlds, like the Doomsday Machine, Nomad, and V'Ger.

Khan stands out to us in the real world because he was the one TOS villain who was brought back for a live-action sequel, and because that sequel was popular. But would the characters within the universe really see him as the greatest enemy they ever faced? I don't think so.

Sure, Khan was responsible for Spock's death, but he's a logical being and he wouldn't be solipsistic about it, wouldn't say that Khan was objectively more dangerous because of that one death. And really, is it accurate to say Khan "killed Spock?" Rather, Spock killed himself in order to save the rest of the crew from Khan's attempt to kill them. Granted, the radiation leak that killed Spock was caused by Khan's attack, but it was Spock's own choice to expose himself to it. So while Khan would be legally culpable for Spock's death, he only "killed Spock" in an indirect sense.

 

[The Wormhole]

Well he did come close to killing all of them and stealing the Enterprise to menace the galaxy with on their first meeting with the crew pretty much defeating him by the skin of their teeth.

And then he came back and nearly killed all of them again and was close to having a weapon of mass destruction to unleash on the galaxy.

Yeah, but was he really the most dangerous foe Spock Prime ever faced? He encountered foes who commanded armies, like Kor and (later in life) Sela. He faced beings with godlike powers such as Gary Mitchell, Trelane, and Apollo. He encountered other entities with plans for galactic conquest, including Garth of Izar, the Kelvans, and the androids of both Exo III and Mudd's Planet. And as I mentioned, he faced artifacts with the power to exterminate whole worlds, like the Doomsday Machine, Nomad, and V'Ger.

Khan stands out to us in the real world because he was the one TOS villain who was brought back for a live-action sequel, and because that sequel was popular. But would the characters within the universe really see him as the greatest enemy they ever faced? I don't think so.

Honestly, even as someone who loves TWOK I don't think of Khan as the definitive TOS villain. And I really don't understand how this "Khan is Kirk's Joker" thing got started.