Lucasfilm announces a new direction for the Star Wars EU

[Enterprise1701]

I'm confused. Is the whole of the EU being de-canonized or just material that takes place post-Return of the Jedi? Cause a lot of pre-ROTJ material is directly linked with post-ROTJ material. And is the 2003 Clone Wars TV series part of the canon?

And on a different note, I grudgingly admit that throwing out the EU does eliminate innumerable majorly flawed works. But will this "story group" that Lucasfilm has created try to find ways to re-insert some major stuff like Knights of the Old Republic and Shadows of the Empire back into the new canon?

 

[kirk55555]

I'm not belittling it - I'm point out that now we are all on an equal footing, I know as much about what happened after Return of the Jedi as you do. Hell you know as much as the characters in the films as I do - take the mysterious Emperor's royal guard - we know nothing about them beyond what they look like!

Botta Fett? a loser who died like a loser.

What happened to Luke Skywalker after ROTJ? Nobody knows!

As someone who has read a lot of Star Wars books and comics, it's weird to have this feeling again. I mean, I know all about the Emperor's Guards, but maybe now I don't? It's strange.

They are a good example because going off what is canon, we know from the titles what they are called (NOT imperial guards) and what they look like and... that's it.

I can look on wookiepedia and find all that info. It doesn't matter what Abrams or Disney says. They'll always be what the books and material say they were. Just like how Chewbacca is long dead, Han and Leia are married with two dead children, and Luke has a son called Ben. JJ/Disney Wars is no more legitimate then JJ Trek to me. My big problem is that the Disney Wars universe means the end of the Star wars Universe. If I wanted to read a universe completely different than SW, I'd read something beside Star Wars. Have fun reading about Disney's definition of Imperial Guards. I'll stick with the real version of the universe, everyone else can keep the mindless action movie universe that's stealing its name.

You're entitled to your opinion of the EU, but you have no right to belittle my opinion on the franchise...

And you have no right to belittle the owners and creators of the franchise by name calling because they make decisions you don't agree with.

Maybe it's time to stop throwing temper tantrums and grow up.

I can call them whatever I want. I can be as angry with them as I want, and its my opinion that the people in charge of the SW Franchise and movies are money grabbing idiots. Of course, because its JJ abrams and Disney I'm talking about, people don't like to hear people/groups they like insulted. If I insulted a group or person the majority of people disliked, no one would comment on my harsh language I stand by my comments on the current SW owners and the people working on the movies. They want money, and lack the ability to make anything worthwhile even if they cared about making something good while making money, which they don't. Disney's minions want to produce some crap books to support the horrible movies. JJ abrams wants to create another mindless Transformers like Sci fi movie and cash the check for doing so. I get why they're doing it, but it sucks as a fan and I'm going to call these a-holes what they are.

 

[BillJ]

I'll stick with the real version of the universe, everyone else can keep the mindless action movie universe that's stealing its name.

You're talking about the franchise that created the big-budget mindless action movie!

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'll stick with the real version of the universe, everyone else can keep the mindless action movie universe that's stealing its name.

You're talking about the franchise that created the big-budget mindless action movie!

So the "real" universe no longer includes the movies that started it all? Is the EU really that deep?

 

[Beagleman]

Are the two Ewok movies now not canon? If so, Star Wars is dead and I'm outta here!!!!!

 

[Set Harth]

I'm confused. Is the whole of the EU being de-canonized or just material that takes place post-Return of the Jedi?

All of it.

And is the 2003 Clone Wars TV series part of the canon?

Not as far as we know.

 

[dansigal]

And is the 2003 Clone Wars TV series part of the canon?

Not as far as we know.

I think the article is pretty clear that Clone Wars in part of the canon.

"He set the films he created as the canon. This includes the six Star Wars episodes, and the many hours of content he developed and produced in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. These stories are the immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align."

 

[Masiral]

And is the 2003 Clone Wars TV series part of the canon?

Not as far as we know.

I think the article is pretty clear that Clone Wars in part of the canon.

"He set the films he created as the canon. This includes the six Star Wars episodes, and the many hours of content he developed and produced in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. These stories are the immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align."

There are two Clone Wars series - the 2003 Clone Wars, and Star Wars: The Clone Wars, the latter of which is part of the canon. I don't think the 2003 Clone Wars still counts.

 

[Relayer1]

I think that if it was on screen, it counts.

Except for the Holiday Special...

 

[Campe]

My big problem is that the Disney Wars universe means the end of the Star wars Universe.

No. It means the end of your view of the Star Wars universe. That's fine if that's your opinion but making sweeping declarations like this is what gives fanboys a bad name.

I'll stick with the real version of the universe, everyone else can keep the mindless action movie universe that's stealing its name.

How fair is this to make a statement like this before actually really knowing anything about the movie? Yes, Abrams is directing. Regardless of your feelings on AbramsTrek, give him a chance with this property before you denounce him. Again, gives fanboys a bad name. Second, the story is by Oscar-winner Michael Arndt, based on an idea by Lucas with a script by Abrams and Lawrence "Empire and Jedi" Kasdan. That's a damned good pedigree if you ask me. Your general reaction, in my opinion, is irrational. But, haters gonna hate. You've made your decision, and that's fine.

I get why they're doing it, but it sucks as a fan and I'm going to call these a-holes what they are.

Again, your prerogative, but I think it's a little harsh for creators of a fictional universe.

 

[sojourner]

I think that if it was on screen, it counts.

Except for the Holiday Special...

What about that episode of The Muppets?

 

[StalwartUK]

From the moment Disney bought out LucasFilm/Star Wars I kinda knew something like this was inevitable. There was no way they were going to go with storylines that only a few people have probably even heard of in the place. A clean slate was always going to be Disney's approach to the franchise. No doubt there will be a new "EU" that ties in with the new movies.

Still, I can see why some may be disappointed by this development. They could've continued the "old" EU but then again Disney might think that would confuse people too much. They have little attachment to it in any case, they didn't create it and probably just see it as something to mine for ideas.

 

[beamMe]

As someone who has read a lot of Star Wars books and comics, it's weird to have this feeling again. I mean, I know all about the Emperor's Guards, but maybe now I don't? It's strange.

They are a good example because going off what is canon, we know from the titles what they are called (NOT imperial guards) and what they look like and... that's it.

I can look on wookiepedia and find all that info. It doesn't matter what Abrams or Disney says. They'll always be what the books and material say they were. Just like how Chewbacca is long dead, Han and Leia are married with two dead children, and Luke has a son called Ben. JJ/Disney Wars is no more legitimate then JJ Trek to me. My big problem is that the Disney Wars universe means the end of the Star wars Universe. If I wanted to read a universe completely different than SW, I'd read something beside Star Wars. Have fun reading about Disney's definition of Imperial Guards. I'll stick with the real version of the universe, everyone else can keep the mindless action movie universe that's stealing its name.

You're entitled to your opinion of the EU, but you have no right to belittle my opinion on the franchise...

And you have no right to belittle the owners and creators of the franchise by name calling because they make decisions you don't agree with.

Maybe it's time to stop throwing temper tantrums and grow up.

I can call them whatever I want. I can be as angry with them as I want, and its my opinion that the people in charge of the SW Franchise and movies are money grabbing idiots. Of course, because its JJ abrams and Disney I'm talking about, people don't like to hear people/groups they like insulted. If I insulted a group or person the majority of people disliked, no one would comment on my harsh language I stand by my comments on the current SW owners and the people working on the movies. They want money, and lack the ability to make anything worthwhile even if they cared about making something good while making money, which they don't. Disney's minions want to produce some crap books to support the horrible movies. JJ abrams wants to create another mindless Transformers like Sci fi movie and cash the check for doing so. I get why they're doing it, but it sucks as a fan and I'm going to call these a-holes what they are.

Admit it, you just posted a rewritten text/post about the new Star Trek movie from 2009, right?
This reads exactly like one of these same empty, child-stomping-with-its-feet rants from back then.

I can't wait for The Onion's take on this fan-outrage.

 

[Mr Light]

Given that the 2005 Clone Wars series has been embargoed since 2008, it's pretty clear they didn't consider it canon anymore even during the 2008-13 era.

It can't really be canon, anyway. The Jedi are ****ing Superman in it. Mace took out a million droid army single handedly. Their Force push alone is insanely powerful. General Grevious is a brutal killer and not a craven coward who runs away from every fight while wheezing and coughing constantly. Not to mention the portrayal of Battle of Coruscant was inconsistent with the novel Labyrinth of Evil's depiction.

 

[Set Harth]

It can't really be canon, anyway. The Jedi are ****ing Superman in it.

He probably just erased their memories like he did with Lois.

 

[kirk55555]

My big problem is that the Disney Wars universe means the end of the Star wars Universe.

No. It means the end of your view of the Star Wars universe. That's fine if that's your opinion but making sweeping declarations like this is what gives fanboys a bad name.

I'll stick with the real version of the universe, everyone else can keep the mindless action movie universe that's stealing its name.

How fair is this to make a statement like this before actually really knowing anything about the movie? Yes, Abrams is directing. Regardless of your feelings on AbramsTrek, give him a chance with this property before you denounce him. Again, gives fanboys a bad name. Second, the story is by Oscar-winner Michael Arndt, based on an idea by Lucas with a script by Abrams and Lawrence "Empire and Jedi" Kasdan. That's a damned good pedigree if you ask me. Your general reaction, in my opinion, is irrational. But, haters gonna hate. You've made your decision, and that's fine.

Why the heck would I give Abrams a chance? The only movie he's been even slightly connected to that I saw and don't hate is freaking Armageddon (which isn't great by any stretch, but its enjoyable enough for what it is). I hate his Star Trek movies, he did everything he could to help the writers destroy that. Hegets no benefit of the doubt. He has no ability to make anything, he exists to make junk. He's Michael Bay with even less ability. Even if he wasn't helping to write the movie, the best script in the world wouldn't survive him.

I'll stick with the real version of the universe, everyone else can keep the mindless action movie universe that's stealing its name.

You're talking about the franchise that created the big-budget mindless action movie!

So the "real" universe no longer includes the movies that started it all? Is the EU really that deep?

The original trilogy had plot and good characters, many of whom became iconic. A movie doesn't have to be "deep". The OT had likeable characters, a cool villain, and kept you invested (things neither of the JJ Trek movies had). It didn't have a bunch of unlikeable twits going around generally being incompetent while explosions happened mostly just to keep people watching.

But, yeah, the EU, from the standpoint of developing characters, could be pretty deep. Many of the characters were fleshed out very well, both preexisting movie characters and book created characters. Now, we'll just be getting corporate controlled garbage only made because they want to squeeze as much money from SW as they can, even if it means sacrificing quality to please the people in charge.

 

[dansigal]

It can't really be canon, anyway. The Jedi are ****ing Superman in it.

He probably just erased their memories like he did with Lois.

And we have a winner! Game over. We can close this thread up and all go home.

 

[Aldo]

I doubt Abrams set out to ruin Trek. While I wasn't the biggest fan of Into Darkness, I think Star Trek 09 is pretty good, and besides, the vast majority of Trek fandom disagrees with you, so there's that.

Also, Campe89 is right, the type of irrational bitching present in your posts is exactly what gives fans a bad name. Now I'm not saying you can't be upset about this, but to make blanket statements about Abrams (who btw, has not one iota to do with this) is beyond ridiculous.

So I'll tell you what, you enjoy your "real" Star Wars and I'll enjoy mine...when it comes out in theaters in the next year or two.

 

[Nerys Myk]

You're talking about the franchise that created the big-budget mindless action movie!

So the "real" universe no longer includes the movies that started it all? Is the EU really that deep?

The original trilogy had plot and good characters, many of whom became iconic. A movie doesn't have to be "deep". The OT had likeable characters, a cool villain, and kept you invested (things neither of the JJ Trek movies had). It didn't have a bunch of unlikeable twits going around generally being incompetent while explosions happened mostly just to keep people watching.

But, yeah, the EU, from the standpoint of developing characters, could be pretty deep. Many of the characters were fleshed out very well, both preexisting movie characters and book created characters. Now, we'll just be getting corporate controlled garbage only made because they want to squeeze as much money from SW as they can, even if it means sacrificing quality to please the people in charge.

The OT was the blueprint for the big budget, summertime, "mindless action flick". The characters were some what generic, barely two dimensional stock characters played by actors who made them rise above the material. The villain was a stock character too. (Be it Vader, Tarkin or the Emperor) Along with the performances, the visuals and the pace are what made the film work ( for me at least). So the explosions and SFX were key to it's success. Like Raiders it was an homage to pulps and movie serials, though SW is of the space opera flavor while Raiders is of the adventurer flavor. So again, not deep material

Frankly of the three, Leia is the only one who can be called competent. Han and Luke are usually lucky to be alive given their idiotic antics.

As I said, I could never get into the SW EU books, so what ever there is that folks like is lost on me.

 

[Corran Horn]

I'm confused. Is the whole of the EU being de-canonized or just material that takes place post-Return of the Jedi? Cause a lot of pre-ROTJ material is directly linked with post-ROTJ material. And is the 2003 Clone Wars TV series part of the canon?

I believe it remains to be seen about the CW TV series. All of the books/games/etc otherwise are unlikely to be 'true' anymore. Everything beyond the PT and the OT is presumably going to be over-written by this new continuity.

And on a different note, I grudgingly admit that throwing out the EU does eliminate innumerable majorly flawed works. But will this "story group" that Lucasfilm has created try to find ways to re-insert some major stuff like Knights of the Old Republic and Shadows of the Empire back into the new canon?

I guess finding that out'll be part of the fun.