Kirk's Daily Schedule

[FormerLurker]

I don't remember the glasses themselves being described as antiques, anyway. Just that they're an antique style. Probably meant to appeal to someone's affectations for the past.

And as a wearer of glasses, I've been told more than once that when getting new glasses, it is best to get new frames as well. The stress of trying to mount new lenses in old frames can break the frames. This would be especially true for actual three hundred year old frames.

 

[trekshark]

I never did either since McCoy gave him a pair of intact glasses and when he sold them they were damaged

You do realize that glasses can be fixed? Broken lenses can be swapped out for new ones, something that seems likely given that McCoy--a physician--would most likely provide his friend a pair of glasses with the appropriate prescription. I doubt the original lenses would have fit Kirk's eyes perfectly.

--Sran

but weren't they antiques already in 1984, which is why Kirk was able to get any money at all for them? Would someone replace original, although broken, lenses in antiques with new lenses? At that point they wouldn't really be antiques anymore and I would think would be less likely to be kept some place where they'd end up surviving until the 2280s. McCoy makes a point of saying that they're 400 years old and that you don't find many with the lenses still intact. To me that implies original 1800s lens

 

[Timo]

Umm, the movies do not have McCoy describe the glasses.

In ST2, they are not said to be antiques - indeed, the glasses themselves are never even mentioned, not as such. Kirk says "What is it?", then opens the wrappings, then mumbles "Oh... Bones, this is... Charming...", after which they discuss Kirk's allergy to modern myopia remedies.

In ST4, it's the antique store owner who says that they are 18th century American, and in a separate sentence he adds that they'd be more valuable with lenses intact. He does not indicate that the lenses would be original, though. And 1700s glasses with original lenses wouldn't be much good for correcting one's myopia by 1980s standards, so the dealer probably accepts that the lenses have been replaced once or eightce already.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Leto_II]

EDIT: Woops, never mind -- my post was already covered above, and I missed it the first time.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

For some reason I never thought Kirk's glasses were actually time-looped, more that he was joking that they could be.

It's generally assumed that they are because of the joke, but no one knows what actually happened to them after Kirk sold them.

It's well within the realm of possibilities that because Kirk left the glasses in San Francisco in 1986, McCoy later purchased them in 2285 and gave them to Kirk as a birthday gift, thus initiating a causal loop completed by Kirk when he then traveled back in time with them and sold them. OTOH, it's possible that no loop was ever created, and the glasses ended up being lost to history after Kirk gave them up.

--Sran

I remember reading something some years ago, someone postulating that Kirk's glasses would eventually turn to dust having looped around and around through time. But my eyes always kind of glaze over reading stuff like that. I just can't follow it all.

Man, this glasses thing is deep. Let me see:

The glasses were made sometime before 2283;
MCoy gives them to Kirk as a birthday present;
They break durring the battle in the Mutara nebula;
For some reason Kirk keeps the broken glasses with him during the voyage to Earth, the interview with ADm. Morrow, the flight to Genesis, the 3 month stay on Vulcan and the trip to Earth;
Kirk travels to 1984; sell glasses; keeps money, doesn't pay for pizza;
Glasses remain.

OR

IF glasses last 3 centuries, and are the same pair bought by McCoy it will be in a closed loop and then it can be new, 300 years, 300*1 billion years or infinitely old or all simultaneously *boom* Thanks, my head exploded.

Peter David did a humorous bit with this theory in issue #10 of DC's second STAR TREK run.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

Umm, the movies do not have McCoy describe the glasses.

Actually, that's not true. When Kirk takes the glasses, he jokingly asks if they're some sort of Klingon aphrodisiac, to which McCoy replies, "No, more antiques for your collection." He then adds that they're over four hundred years old and that it's rare to find many with the lenses still intact.

--Sran

 

[LMFAOschwarz]

Umm, the movies do not have McCoy describe the glasses.

Actually, that's not true. When Kirk takes the glasses, he jokingly asks if they're some sort of Klingon aphrodisiac, to which McCoy replies, "No, more antiques for your collection." He then adds that they're over four hundred years old and that it's rare to find many with the lenses still intact.

--Sran

I seem to remember that from the novelization. Didn't Kirk ask "What are they?" and McCoy replied "They're for your eyes."?

 

[Timo]

Ah, the transcripts must be faulty, then - there's no such exchange recorded at Chrissie's usually trustworthy page. McCoy Just Says No there.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Shat Happens]

That's because the movie has some different versions. That scene is different in the DVD I have from the VHS I had, and I hear there's is a TV version still. Ther's also the book, when McCoy says the lenses are new.

I wonder how they broke, certainly not made of glass since apparently all glass was replaced by transparent Al in the 23rd century (up until the 24th when glass was being used in spaceship windows).

 

[Shat Happens]

IF glasses last 3 centuries, and are the same pair bought by McCoy it will be in a closed loop and then it can be new, 300 years, 300*1 billion years or infinitely old or all simultaneously *boom* Thanks, my head exploded.

Peter David did a humorous bit with this theory in issue #10 of DC's second STAR TREK run.

hehe, I have that.

 

[trekshark]

Umm, the movies do not have McCoy describe the glasses.

In ST2, they are not said to be antiques - indeed, the glasses themselves are never even mentioned, not as such. Kirk says "What is it?", then opens the wrappings, then mumbles "Oh... Bones, this is... Charming...", after which they discuss Kirk's allergy to modern myopia remedies.

Timo Saloniemi

I checked my two dvd versions to make sure I wasn't crazy . The director's edition does and the older one doesn't. The older one's captions also say "aboard a ship" instead of "border ship" when McCoy is explaining where he got the romulan ale. I didn't get the bluray out to check which dialog it has

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/mikehunt234/400yearsold.jpg

 

[Peach Wookiee]

I always liked that display in TUC as it gave an impression of the fact that it was a "real" ship with other things going on other than battles, invasions, etc.

I found this artwork of the display screen from Spock's quarters which seems to mirror Kirk's.

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/artoftrek/okudagram-st6.jpg

Vegastrekkie, EAS doesn't allow hotlinking, so we haven't seen the pic yet. Best try another way of letting us see it!

Sorry about that...

Still not right. That's straight hotlinking, Vegastrekkie, and not allowed. I won't give you an infraction this time, but remind you that we aren't cool with that here. There are other ways of showing your chosen image.

 

[Vegastrekkie]

I appreciate you not giving me an infraction. I apologize.

 

[Cyke101]

Assuming that the Enterprise keeps a 24 hour day rather than 26 like, say, on DS9, Kirk has dinner at 5:30pm. Does that seem a bit early to anyone like a time that seniors stereotypically eat dinner, or is that a sly addition to the movie's theme about age, time, and the passing generation?

 

[Relayer1]

the time-looped glasses that McCoy gave him because they were left in San Francisco in 1986--presumably so that pre-TWOK McCoy could find them and present them to Kirk as a birthday gift.

Wouldn't they become infinitely old and fall apart ?

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

Assuming that the Enterprise keeps a 24 hour day rather than 26 like, say, on DS9, Kirk has dinner at 5:30pm. Does that seem a bit early to anyone like a time that seniors stereotypically eat dinner, or is that a sly addition to the movie's theme about age, time, and the passing generation?

DS9's day was twenty six hours presumably because it was a Bajoran station. It would stand to reason that Federation ships crewed by mostly humans would follow a standard Earth clock and schedule.

That said, we know only what Kirk's schedule was for that particular day. It's possible he had an entirely different schedule the next day and the one following it. And as he ate a formal dinner with the Klingons at 19:30 hours, it's likely he didn't have a meal two hours before that, unless it was just a snack.

--Sran

 

[drt]

Also, his schedule could have started at 0500 that day, so 1730 might not be that early - not that 5:30 is crazy early for dinner.

Plus, the "seniors eat early" meme is from a time when restaruants had early-bird specials to encourgage patronage before the normal dinner hours. So really it isn't that seniors like to eat early, it's because they're cheap (and aren't at work at 4:30 pm).

 

[Timo]

I wasn't aware of such a meme - but the Nordic countries are known for their early eating hours in general, so I for one wouldn't see anything odd about a dinner at five-ish, or lunch at eleven.

Also, his schedule could have started at 0500 that day, so 1730 might not be that early - not that 5:30 is crazy early for dinner.

The other schedule Okudagram shows Spock waking up at 5:30 and having breakfast at 6:00, it seems. The next meal break is at 12:30, then 17:30, then it's free time until 22:00 when he goes to sleep. Sounds like the routine extends to several if not all personnel and all days, really.

That said, we know only what Kirk's schedule was for that particular day. It's possible he had an entirely different schedule the next day and the one following it. And as he ate a formal dinner with the Klingons at 19:30 hours, it's likely he didn't have a meal two hours before that, unless it was just a snack.

The Okudagram does say it's Spock's daily schedule, so by the strict definition it shouldn't vary from day to day. But of course the specific items like meetings with specific departents are likely to be relevant only for that specific day, so the schedule doesn't meet the strict definition...

Kirk's dinner with the Klingons might have been quite a surprise to everybody involved. It seems to have been organized during Kirk and Spock's personal free time, and could have upset quite a few schedules. If I were Kirk, I might also attend such an occasion well fed - less risk of my blood sugar getting me into diplomatic trouble, and less risk of me having to fill up with Klingon delicacies!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

The Okudagram does say it's Spock's daily schedule, so by the strict definition it shouldn't vary from day to day. But of course the specific items like meetings with specific departents are likely to be relevant only for that specific day, so the schedule doesn't meet the strict definition...

Well, some of the items are a different color, so those may be last-minute changes or additions to the schedule by another department head, but they show up on Kirk or Spock's schedule because they would need to know about them.

--Sran

 

[T'Girl]

Kirk had dinner at 5:30 because (perhaps) he daily ate both a dinner and later a supper.