DS9 deserved a movie

[LOKAI of CHERON]

The problem with the MU scenes wasn't that Kira was bisexual so much as that she was a predatory nymphomaniac.

DS9's got it's problems, but it's hard to compare the importance of the problems of a few of a series' lesser episodes than the problems in a two hour movie.

I don't personally view them as "lesser" episodes, just episodes - but that label still doesn't change the fact those scenes are, well, gratuitous. That's all.

It's easy for me to compare intent, and I don't think the "two hour movie" has any problems worth mentioning. In fact, it's one of the best Trek's in ages.

 

[dub]

DS9 > nuTrek
and
DS9 is sexier than nuTrek.

We can move on now.

 

[Joel_Kirk]

Just a random thought in the shower:

A new trilogy written by Academy Award winner John Ridley...or maybe an entry written and/or directed by Brian Helgeland.

I was also thinking John Logan might be called upon to write an entry. (The master who wrote Skyfall, one of my favorite James Bond films). Interestingly, I believe he - John Logan - wrote Star Trek: Nemesis. Although, since that Trek film, he wrote The Aviator, Hugo, Rango. This is similar to Tom Hardy who went on to much bigger things after said Trek film.

I don't know. Even Martin Campbell directed another Bond fave of mine, Casino Royale, and went on to do Green Lantern. However, he - like JJ Abrams, Spike Lee, Steven Spielberg - is only as good as his script.

Someone mentioned Kristen Stewart, but I would rather have her much hotter (and a bit more talented) Australian twin, Teresa Palmer as a character. (Major Kira, if written properly, could be a challenging character to bring to the big screen for the right actress).

 

[Shaka Zulu]

Okay then, smarty-pants, who would you cast as Kira in a new movie?

Kira is a strong, multiple-faceted character, not a bitch.

The actress might be, the character won't be. And to tell the truth, Kira was a bit bitchy to Commander Sisko in the first episode.

 

[dub]

Okay then, smarty-pants, who would you cast as Kira in a new movie?

Nana Visitor. I'd rather see them as they are now and also add new characters. What can I say? I'm just one of those weirdos who prefers continuity instead of reboots.

 

[BigJake]

Okay then, smarty-pants, who would you cast as Kira in a new movie?

Nana Visitor. I'd rather see them as they are now and also add new characters. What can I say? I'm just one of those weirdos who prefers continuity instead of reboots.

To be fair, though -- I'm told you wouldn't really know this from watching the Twilight movies*, which I haven't done -- Kristen Stewart does have actual acting talent. In the event that one couldn't get Nana Visitor, or wanted to recast the role, I wouldn't necessarily be too quick write her off as someone who could actually do it justice. (Check out Fierce People if you don't believe me. Also proof that Anton Yelchin can act, incidentally.)

[* I suspect it's rather like how, if you only had the Star Wars prequels to go on, you wouldn't know Natalie Portman could act her way out of a wet paper bag. But Portman is in fact a perfectly good actress.]

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

The actress might be, the character won't be.

I doubt that Kristen Stewart has the range and skill to do that.

And to tell the truth, Kira was a bit bitchy to Commander Sisko in the first episode.

Remember context. It was their first meeting, she had just come out from the Occupation, he was there to "help" them (just as the Cardassians had originally said), both had very different objectives and perspectives which led to butting heads--throughout S1, which created a good dynamic between them.

 

[Joel_Kirk]

The actress might be, the character won't be.

I doubt that Kristen Stewart has the range and skill to do that.

And to tell the truth, Kira was a bit bitchy to Commander Sisko in the first episode.

Remember context. It was their first meeting, she had just come out from the Occupation, he was there to "help" them (just as the Cardassians had originally said), both had very different objectives and perspectives which led to butting heads--throughout S1, which created a good dynamic between them.

Okay then, smarty-pants, who would you cast as Kira in a new movie?

Kira is a strong, multiple-faceted character, not a bitch.

The actress might be, the character won't be. And to tell the truth, Kira was a bit bitchy to Commander Sisko in the first episode.

I remember writing to Paramount when those early DS9 episodes were airing, and asking why Kira was always such an insubordinate to Sisko for so many episodes? I didn't remember Picard having much insubordination. (He - Picard - would talk them to death, or they would immediately see the wrongs of their ways...but Sisko seemed to have to put up with Kira's sour attitude for awhile).

Okay then, smarty-pants, who would you cast as Kira in a new movie?

Nana Visitor. I'd rather see them as they are now and also add new characters. What can I say? I'm just one of those weirdos who prefers continuity instead of reboots.

That's an idea that can work, even in the Abramsverse.

 

[BigJake]

I remember writing to Paramount when those early DS9 episodes were airing, and asking why Kira was always such an insubordinate to Sisko for so many episodes?

Kira was a liaison for Bajor, not a subordinate and not from Starfleet. Working with her rather than just ordering her around was Sisko's job.

You mean people missed this about the show?

 

[BigJake]

Star Trek is a part of pop culture. DS9 isn't. It's as simple as that.

... and this is quite wrong, incidentally.

While I'm sure there are un-fans of Berman & Braga who would like TNG and DS9 to be "all but forgotten," that's just not the case. Both saw many, many more hours and more eyeballs than TOS did (even if DS9 faced a more competitive environment), both are inescapably part of pop culture. Sisko in particular is as widely famous a character as Data, Picard or Worf, in their turn just as known as the TOS crew.

 

[Hober Mallow]

Star Trek is a part of pop culture. DS9 isn't. It's as simple as that.

... and this is quite wrong, incidentally.

While I'm sure there are un-fans of Berman & Braga who would like TNG and DS9 to be "all but forgotten," that's just not the case. Both saw many, many more hours and more eyeballs than TOS did (even if DS9 faced a more competitive environment), both are inescapably part of pop culture. Sisko in particular is as widely famous a character as Data, Picard or Worf, in their turn just as known as the TOS crew.

Only among ST fans. The average joe knows Kirk and Spock maybe Picard and Data, but would have no clue who Ben Sisko is. I think you're overestimating just how popular DS9 is and was.

 

[BigJake]

Only among ST fans.

No, not only among ST fans. That's why I was specific about Sisko; he's one of those characters who every time an anniversary comes around, general-interest publications dig up and talk about as a part of iconic Trek. Just like they do with Data or Picard, and of course with Kirk and Spock. Because people know who he is, even if all they know about him is that he was the first black Star Trek Captain.

Ask the average Joe who Garak is and they'd look at you blankly. But the Captains of the Trek shows, all of them (even poor Archer, I wonder if Bakula is waiting for people to forget that one) are pretty much generally known. Trek was to that extent still a general pop culture event when it rolled out a new show.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I think more people would recognize Janeway than Sisko, and that group would be a lot smaller than the one that would recognize Kirk, Spock or Picard.

DS9, VOY and ENT had nowhere near the impact TOS and TNG did. That's why they never got movies.

 

[BigJake]

I think more people would recognize Janeway than Sisko

Given that DS9 was seen by many more people -- it was the number one syndicated first-run show on television for most of its lifetime while VOY was stuck on UPN -- I find this proposition pretty absurd.

Less known than TNG? Sure. "All-but-forgotten" or "not part of popular culture"? Don't make me laugh. It is of course perfectly correct to say that Trek shows had successively less impact after TNG, but that's because TNG's impact was absolutely massive and definitive; being a less successful show than TNG is like being a less successful boxer than Muhammad Ali, it doesn't indicate failure* by any means. Hell, TOS was a less successful show than TNG. And DS9 whether one liked it or not was a successful show, closely comparable in its pop culture profile to the X-Files. About as many people know who Sisko was as know who Scully and Mulder were.

I'm not expecting DS9 to ever actually get a movie, but that has nothing to do with its being "all-but-forgotten."

Spoiler: *

Yes, VOY arguably was a failure, as the franchise was getting tired by that point and it was stuck on a failure of a network. And ENT, well... is ENT. But I wouldn't call either of them "forgotten" either despite that, and DS9 is a different story altogether.

 

[Noname Given]

People were also going back and forth on how TOS was dated and wouldn't work on the big screen, and really in denial of how anything can be updated; it's just about the execution.

The difference is that there was a demand for more Star Trek; the audience for Star Trek grew and grew throughout the 70s. There is, sorry to say, no demand for an all-but-forgotten 90s spinoff of a spinoff of Star Trek.

The same thing said about TOS before the Abramsverse hit the screens.

Um, you DO remember the TOS cast made 6 major feature films from 1979 - 19991, right?

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

The difference is that there was a demand for more Star Trek; the audience for Star Trek grew and grew throughout the 70s. There is, sorry to say, no demand for an all-but-forgotten 90s spinoff of a spinoff of Star Trek.

The same thing said about TOS before the Abramsverse hit the screens.

Um, you DO remember the TOS cast made 6 major feature films from 1979 - 19991, right?

Quite right, but it was a heck of a long time waiting an average of 3000 years between movies!

 

[Timewalker]

Meh. I find it amusing when adults get unprofessional due to relationship entanglements (in movies, not right in front of me). And I appreciate it if the unprofessionalism also leads to some insight into the characters that we might not have received otherwise.

The only "insight" I received was that not one of the three has any concept of professional decorum while on duty, and they need to grow up some more.

Um, you DO remember the TOS cast made 6 major feature films from 1979 - 19991, right?

Quite right, but it was a heck of a long time waiting an average of 3000 years between movies!

That many thousands of years is taking us into the realm of Dune and the Butlerian Jihad, when thinking machines are prohibited (ie. no more computers or movies, and no more starships not controlled by the Guild Navigators).

 

[Joel_Kirk]

I remember writing to Paramount when those early DS9 episodes were airing, and asking why Kira was always such an insubordinate to Sisko for so many episodes?

Kira was a liaison for Bajor, not a subordinate and not from Starfleet. Working with her rather than just ordering her around was Sisko's job.

You mean people missed this about the show?

The point being: She still wasn't a pleasant person to work with. On TNG, as aforementioned, Picard would have preached Kira ears off until she turned around.

The difference is that there was a demand for more Star Trek; the audience for Star Trek grew and grew throughout the 70s. There is, sorry to say, no demand for an all-but-forgotten 90s spinoff of a spinoff of Star Trek.

The same thing said about TOS before the Abramsverse hit the screens.

Um, you DO remember the TOS cast made 6 major feature films from 1979 - 19991, right?

That's a hell of a long time for six major films...with the same cast.

No, I don't remember those films....since a few of them have yet to be released in the far, far future!

 

[DonIago]

I found it refreshing and realistic that Kira wasn't initially pleasant to work with; a delightful contrast to TNG.

As for the NuTrek characters needing to "grow up"...I believe that's supposed to be one of the points...even if it wasn't an alternate timeline these would still be younger versions of the characters than we saw in TOS.

 

[BigJake]

I found it refreshing and realistic that Kira wasn't initially pleasant to work with; a delightful contrast to TNG.

Agreed. And it would not have been believable for their relationship to be tension-free given the situation.