why didnt Kirk put khan back in the freezer at the end of Space Seed
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Re: why didnt Kirk put khan back in the freezer at the end of Space Se
"They have my ship, discarding their own worthless vessel."
"They have my ship, discarding their own worthless vessel."
Re: why didnt Kirk put khan back in the freezer at the end of Space Se
Excellent, excellent point, Botany Bay.
Besides, Kirk is never one to waste potential, one just needs to find the right place to apply it. In the DEXTER TV series and the 1994 movie THE SHADOW with Alec Baldwin, "evil" and predatory characters are set up in situations where their behavior will do some good. Trek's own "The Enemy Within" followed the same theme.
Excellent, excellent point, Botany Bay.
Besides, Kirk is never one to waste potential, one just needs to find the right place to apply it. In the DEXTER TV series and the 1994 movie THE SHADOW with Alec Baldwin, "evil" and predatory characters are set up in situations where their behavior will do some good. Trek's own "The Enemy Within" followed the same theme.
Re: why didnt Kirk put khan back in the freezer at the end of Space Se
Kirk couldn't turn around and go get it? It's not like they went far and the life support canisters were still functioning. Was Kirk really able to keep 70 some-odd "supermen" at bay on the Enterprise until they got to Ceti Alpha? Sure, McCoy could probably knock them out, or they could keep pumping anesthesia gas into a room or two with all of them in there, but it would just be easier to shove them back into their little coffins and transport them to the planet in the Botany Bay. This was implied in TWOK anyway.
Kirk couldn't turn around and go get it? It's not like they went far and the life support canisters were still functioning. Was Kirk really able to keep 70 some-odd "supermen" at bay on the Enterprise until they got to Ceti Alpha? Sure, McCoy could probably knock them out, or they could keep pumping anesthesia gas into a room or two with all of them in there, but it would just be easier to shove them back into their little coffins and transport them to the planet in the Botany Bay. This was implied in TWOK anyway.
Re: why didnt Kirk put khan back in the freezer at the end of Space Se
Sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a fateful trip that started from this orbiting port aboard this tiny ship...
Most likely, Kirk thought Khan and his crew were simply too dangerous to bring back, Someone is going to open those canisters again, and Khan and company will soon be trouble again. The last JJ movie is a likely outcome. Folks would try to use Khan's genius only to be used by him.
Sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a fateful trip that started from this orbiting port aboard this tiny ship...
Most likely, Kirk thought Khan and his crew were simply too dangerous to bring back, Someone is going to open those canisters again, and Khan and company will soon be trouble again. The last JJ movie is a likely outcome. Folks would try to use Khan's genius only to be used by him.
Re: why didnt Kirk put khan back in the freezer at the end of Space Se
Plus, those chambers might have been "single use". I mean, after more than two centuries, I wouldn't trust the equipment enough to refreeze them. Khan's chamber started to "crap out" during revival, forcing Kirk to smash the glass.
Yeah, the tubes in STiD were apparently more durable, but we're discussing TOS here.
Sincerely,
Bill
Plus, those chambers might have been "single use". I mean, after more than two centuries, I wouldn't trust the equipment enough to refreeze them. Khan's chamber started to "crap out" during revival, forcing Kirk to smash the glass.
Yeah, the tubes in STiD were apparently more durable, but we're discussing TOS here.
Sincerely,
Bill
Re: why didnt Kirk put khan back in the freezer at the end of Space Se
Romanticism.
It's oft forgotten that, besides all that steal-the-Enterprise-and-try-to-kill-anyone-who-resists stuff, the Khan depicted in 'Space Seed' was a far more romantic figure than the one in TWOK, arguably. In many ways he was a more admirable figure than the TWOK Khan, too.
The idea of Khan the intellectual, on some level, appealed to Kirk. The Khan who waxed lyrical about Dante and spoke passionately about having to do bad things to achieve noble aims. On some level, Kirk in that episode was as intrigued by Khan as Marla McGivers was.
So when deciding Khan's fate, he favored giving Khan the chance to build the "paradise" he spoke so much of.
It isn't so much that Khan is "evil" and Kirk just wants some way to get rid of him, but more that Ceti Alpha V allows Kirk to solve two problems at once: to get shot of Khan and his superhuman followers, while still pampering Khan's ego enough that Khan is happy to 'accept' his fate without any counter-thought of fighting back (and maybe succeeding this time). Khan doesn't just sit there and fume, he graciously accepts Kirk's deliberations.
It's an upbeat note on which to end 'Space Seed', which TWOK then kind of traded on tearing to pieces.
Romanticism.
It's oft forgotten that, besides all that steal-the-Enterprise-and-try-to-kill-anyone-who-resists stuff, the Khan depicted in 'Space Seed' was a far more romantic figure than the one in TWOK, arguably. In many ways he was a more admirable figure than the TWOK Khan, too.
The idea of Khan the intellectual, on some level, appealed to Kirk. The Khan who waxed lyrical about Dante and spoke passionately about having to do bad things to achieve noble aims. On some level, Kirk in that episode was as intrigued by Khan as Marla McGivers was.
So when deciding Khan's fate, he favored giving Khan the chance to build the "paradise" he spoke so much of.
It isn't so much that Khan is "evil" and Kirk just wants some way to get rid of him, but more that Ceti Alpha V allows Kirk to solve two problems at once: to get shot of Khan and his superhuman followers, while still pampering Khan's ego enough that Khan is happy to 'accept' his fate without any counter-thought of fighting back (and maybe succeeding this time). Khan doesn't just sit there and fume, he graciously accepts Kirk's deliberations.
It's an upbeat note on which to end 'Space Seed', which TWOK then kind of traded on tearing to pieces.
Re: why didnt Kirk put khan back in the freezer at the end of Space Se
I would think enough of the hibernation alcove might not function correctly if restarted not to make it a viable solution. They would Have to tow that ship back because they could not leave it for anyone else to find. Was the better solution to bring them to a high security facility?
I would think enough of the hibernation alcove might not function correctly if restarted not to make it a viable solution. They would Have to tow that ship back because they could not leave it for anyone else to find. Was the better solution to bring them to a high security facility?
Re: why didnt Kirk put khan back in the freezer at the end of Space Se
Because that might as well be a death sentence. The ship's power would eventually fail, and there's no guarantee anyone would find them (and would you want them to?). Kirk's decision was logical. Give them a new start on some remote backwater and let them see what they can do. Also, let's not forget it was Khan's choice, not a sentence.
Because that might as well be a death sentence. The ship's power would eventually fail, and there's no guarantee anyone would find them (and would you want them to?). Kirk's decision was logical. Give them a new start on some remote backwater and let them see what they can do. Also, let's not forget it was Khan's choice, not a sentence.
Re: why didnt Kirk put khan back in the freezer at the end of Space Se
The chambers were already failing when they found the ship...many had already failed; they were defunct, 200ish-year-old technology; and it may have required special medical and/or engineering expertise to get the people refrozen safely.
The chambers were already failing when they found the ship...many had already failed; they were defunct, 200ish-year-old technology; and it may have required special medical and/or engineering expertise to get the people refrozen safely.
Re: why didnt Kirk put khan back in the freezer at the end of Space Se
Absolutely. TWOK ret cons it as having been "exile", something which was apparently forced upon Khan by Captain Kirk... but our only account of that in the movie is Khan's own, and he's had decades of bitterly twisting the facts inside his own head. Kirk became an outlet for Khan's anger over his little colony going wrong, Marla's death, everything that Khan the supposed superhuman was utterly helpless to prevent. It's misappropriated blame on Khan's part, really.
In reality, the decision made to put them on Ceti Alpha V in "Space Seed" was presented as being much more magnanimous and logical than that. And as you say, Khan in the episode sees it more as an opportunity for a new life, not as an exile being imposed upon him.
Absolutely. TWOK ret cons it as having been "exile", something which was apparently forced upon Khan by Captain Kirk... but our only account of that in the movie is Khan's own, and he's had decades of bitterly twisting the facts inside his own head. Kirk became an outlet for Khan's anger over his little colony going wrong, Marla's death, everything that Khan the supposed superhuman was utterly helpless to prevent. It's misappropriated blame on Khan's part, really.
In reality, the decision made to put them on Ceti Alpha V in "Space Seed" was presented as being much more magnanimous and logical than that. And as you say, Khan in the episode sees it more as an opportunity for a new life, not as an exile being imposed upon him.
Re: why didnt Kirk put khan back in the freezer at the end of Space Se
Did he quote Dante? I remember he alluded to Milton at the end. In TWOK he quotes Melville.
I like your analysis. I wouldn't be so hard on TWOK, though. It made sense that Khan would be changed; his wife (McGivers) had been killed, and he was at least half-mad by TWOK.
Did he quote Dante? I remember he alluded to Milton at the end. In TWOK he quotes Melville.
I like your analysis. I wouldn't be so hard on TWOK, though. It made sense that Khan would be changed; his wife (McGivers) had been killed, and he was at least half-mad by TWOK.
Re: why didnt Kirk put khan back in the freezer at the end of Space Se
Space Seed ends on an optimistic note where they have a chance to grow and establish their own civilization. There's no reason to think it would result in The Wrath of Khan. Given the facts as Kirk knew them, the whole situation made sense.
Space Seed ends on an optimistic note where they have a chance to grow and establish their own civilization. There's no reason to think it would result in The Wrath of Khan. Given the facts as Kirk knew them, the whole situation made sense.
Re: why didnt Kirk put khan back in the freezer at the end of Space Se
Exactly. Putting them back "in the freezer" would have been ruthless and inhumane under the circumstances. Kirk had no reason to suspect that this act of mercy would come back to bite him decades later.
Exactly. Putting them back "in the freezer" would have been ruthless and inhumane under the circumstances. Kirk had no reason to suspect that this act of mercy would come back to bite him decades later.
Re: why didnt Kirk put khan back in the freezer at the end of Space Se
I agree. No one could have predicted what happened to the planet. He was given an opportunity to start fresh. Very positive end note about forgiveness.
On a lighter note: he was probably worried about freezer burn.
Ba dum dum.
Hey, is this thing on? Freezer burn. Get it? Oh, never mind.
I agree. No one could have predicted what happened to the planet. He was given an opportunity to start fresh. Very positive end note about forgiveness.
On a lighter note: he was probably worried about freezer burn.
Ba dum dum.
Hey, is this thing on? Freezer burn. Get it? Oh, never mind.
Re: why didnt Kirk put khan back in the freezer at the end of Space Se
No good deed goes unpunished.
No good deed goes unpunished.
Re: why didnt Kirk put khan back in the freezer at the end of Space Se
Because freezing people SHOULD go against enlightened 23rd Century standards of justice?
Because freezing people SHOULD go against enlightened 23rd Century standards of justice?
Re: why didnt Kirk put khan back in the freezer at the end of Space Se
That's because his Science Officer wasn't half doing his job. If Space Seed ended like:
"We are near the Ceti Alpha system. The planet number 5 has conditions to sustain life."
"Alright, we'll leave Khan there."
"However, my analysis of the scans show the planet number 6 is instable and likely to explode a few months from now. It will lay waste to the planet 5."
"Oh, too bad. Well we'll find some other place then. Warp 4 mr Sulu."
So much pain would be avoided. The green blooded goblin deserved the radiation poisoning he got.
That's because his Science Officer wasn't half doing his job. If Space Seed ended like:
"We are near the Ceti Alpha system. The planet number 5 has conditions to sustain life."
"Alright, we'll leave Khan there."
"However, my analysis of the scans show the planet number 6 is instable and likely to explode a few months from now. It will lay waste to the planet 5."
"Oh, too bad. Well we'll find some other place then. Warp 4 mr Sulu."
So much pain would be avoided. The green blooded goblin deserved the radiation poisoning he got.
