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VOY: Protectors by Kirsten Beyer Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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Was already there, part of what Tom tells Harry in the first episode. As Kirsten said, they're the same character for all intents and purposes, but they'd have had to pay royalties to the writer of the Locarno episode every time they used him, so much cheaper/easier to create Tom and give him a very familiar backstory instead...
 
I hadn't thought of this story until now as having so much to do with fear. Very interesting. And as usual, when you comment, Stoek, I feel like something that should have been conscious and incredibly obvious because clearly it's there, happened entirely by accident.

And no, O'Donnell was never written or intended to be related to Janeway, though I get why you'd ask.

And yes, the Fife/Don Knotts relationship is there, but not for any reason you could imagine. I've wanted for years to pay a little homage to one of my dearest and oldest friends, and that's where Fife started out. And as it happens, that friend was a nephew of the great Don Knotts. They physical resemblance was not that pronounced, but it was definitely there.

*bows* I think there is a kind of joy in the sort of synergy that results in unintended but clear and palpable themes in story telling. It's almost as if Story is using you as its instrument.

As for O'Donnel I have to admit that I didn't even think of it until this book. I'm not sure what it is about him but I suddenly got to musing at how funny it would be if Shannon O'Donnel had a brother who had a family and that in time one of his descendants ended up in Starfleet as well. And what with the third world war and post atomic horror and all it would be more than likely that the two branches might not really know anything about each other.

As regards Fife, I never in a trillion years would have made the guess based on the name alone, but then that description and it clicked. Plus I'm a bit more Knottsaware than most since I spent years living near and working in Morgantown West Virginia where Knotts was from. He was much beloved and while he was living and his health permitted came back to visit often.


But I actually dropped by tonight to share something else with you guys. I started the acknowledgements of this book by thanking my readers and noting that your enthusiasm for these books can be credited with their continuation.

Now, that enthusiasm has given me even more than as sense of personal fulfillment and the satisfaction of knowing that what I'm writing really connects with many of my readers.

Because tonight, my full name just got a little longer.

It's not Kirsten Mother Fucking Beyer anymore.

Going forward, its New York Times Bestselling Author, Kirsten Mother Fucking Beyer.

You guys did this. I still can't believe it. All I really wanted to say tonight was thank you.

So...thank you, one and all.

As you were.

Best,
Kirsten

That is most wonderful news. Congratulations. Now that you are done basking get back to work. I needs my Voyager! ;)
 
Was already there, part of what Tom tells Harry in the first episode. As Kirsten said, they're the same character for all intents and purposes, but they'd have had to pay royalties to the writer of the Locarno episode every time they used him, so much cheaper/easier to create Tom and give him a very familiar backstory instead...

I don't remember that conversation?
 
Was already there, part of what Tom tells Harry in the first episode. As Kirsten said, they're the same character for all intents and purposes, but they'd have had to pay royalties to the writer of the Locarno episode every time they used him, so much cheaper/easier to create Tom and give him a very familiar backstory instead...

I don't remember that conversation?

During the pilot, Caretaker, right after Tom and Harry check in with Voyager's CMO, they end up in the mess hall where Tom orders "hot plain tomato soup". He then sits with Harry after the XO and CMO warn Harry not to be friends with Tom. They get up, Tom sits down and goes over his back story. He talked about how officers were killed by pilot error he caused and he talked about how he covered it up but then couldn't deal with hiding the truth so he confessed.
 
^An accident on Caldik Prime. He covered it up, but the ghosts of those three cadets returned to teach him the true meaning of Christmas (his joke, not mine)

My thoughts on Protectors:

Very engaging as always; genuinely character-driven, and more than ever the series needs to be, given what the characters have been through lately. After reading The Fall, the concluding novel of which went out of its way to finalise the set-up for transition back to a gentler, more stable Trek 'verse, this was a return to the aftermath of Destiny, when the cultural wound the Federation suffered is still raw. There's much uncertainty, lots of confusion, and a great deal of free-floating grief. Very astute and interesting observations are made here that show us a real appreciation for how the wider culture of the UFP has been changed and marked by these events. For example, commenting on Farkas' bluntness, Chakotay deciding that people are more frank now; they have less use or time for pointless niceties. There’s two traumas that are central to this book, then; Janeway’s own incredible ordeal and the wider cultural trauma she’s managed to miss (and which some will hold her partially responsible for, no less). It's similar to the original tension between the Voyager crewmen who were on the journey those seven years and those who fought the Dominion War, as seen in Spirit Walk. Cambridge insisting that Janeway has to work this through, to set aside the time to deal with it or it will cripple her in the long run, is quite appropriate, and I'm glad the consequences to Janeway's sense of identity are being explored in full. A few reviewers have suggested there’s a little too much angst or emotional turmoil in the book, but it feels entirely appropriate and natural for me, given the time in which the story is set.

I loved that Janeway’s mother was given the attention she deserves. Family is very important to me, and it was great to see that Sisko isn't the only captain who retains a close relationship with a parent. Beyer does this sort of thing a lot, of course – it was her String Theory book that was the first, as I recall, to pay attention to the fact that Janeway has a sister.

I particularly enjoyed the wonderfully-written scenes between Janeway and Picard. Both characters had a warmth and a richness to them that really did Beyer proud. Also, I must say that Picard shaking his fist skywards at Q (so to speak) was hilarious - in the best possible way. Speaking of Q, I mentioned back in my Eternal Tide review that a highlight of that book was how it developed and detailed the reciprocal mentorship and philosophical coaxing that came to define the relationship between Humanity and the Q Continuum. A counterpart or balance to Q and A, in which humans 'return the favour', confirming that Q and humans are allies, even friends. The Janeway/Picard conversation really reinforced that notion, and was a wonderful coda to the Q-human relationship. I actually hope that Q doesn’t show up that often anymore – this was a very satisfying and appropriate place to leave his story.

The Worlds of the First Quadrant seem an interesting addition to the Trek 'verse, and I like that the Full Circle fleet now potentially has a home base in the Delta Quadrant. The backstory for the region is a rich one, and I appreciate how they’re introduced at the tail end of a scientific expedition, rather than having Voyager drop out of warp and there they are. Much as I like the political side of the Trek novels, we do need some variety, and Beyer's good at the "wonders and dangers of space" approach, with emphasis pleasingly on the former but the latter well respected. As it should be. And alongside this new alliance – which, as Markonian so rightly says, reminds me of the Goeg Domain in its flavour (and of the Venette Convention in its insular policies) – we have the Delta Quadrant’s own Typhon Pact as well, it seems. The Vaadwaur and Turei have worked something out and have teamed up with the Devore. Well, it’s about time that “I’m sure we haven’t seen the last of them” was confirmed for the Vaadwaur, isn't it?
 
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How about this line: "the ghosts of those three dead officers came to me in the middle of the night and taught me the true meaning of Christmas."

That's what he told Harry in Caretaker when asked why he confessed, when it appeared he could have gotten away with it. or at least the official story was navigational error, and then Paris turned himself in later on.

Either way, yeah, right from the pilot episode. Wasn't exactly Locarno, but close enough to not be much different. This one had Paris out of the academy and on an early assignment vice the academy showoff manuever, but same idea...
 
I am about 3/4 of the way through and so far a good read. In what book or books did Janeway encounter all those other selves and in what book did she meet Dr Frazier? For the life of me I can not remember.
 
I am about 3/4 of the way through and so far a good read. In what book or books did Janeway encounter all those other selves and in what book did she meet Dr Frazier? For the life of me I can not remember.

Riley Frazier and other ex-Borgs (and their damaged cube ship) were shown in the 3rd season Voyager episode "Unity". What was left of that group also appeared in previous Voy. book The Eternal Tide (but KJ didn't meet them then; Chakotay, Seven, and other members of the DQ fleet did).
 
:techman:I finished this book last night. Very interesting story. The first worlds planetary alliance was an intriguing story line that I hope will be explored further in the next book coming out later this year:).
 
Looking forward to talking to Kirsten tonight for LT!

Cool!

Really enjoyed the last KB podcast. I can't wait to hear this one after I finish Protectors.

:bolian:Looking forward to hearing another interview with Kirsten.

Thanks! Y'all have any questions? I can try and squeeze some in!

Haven't listened to it yet, but the interview is now online:

http://trek.fm/literary-treks/literary-treks-49-deconstructing-kathy.html


Re: Protectors

I finished it yesterday and I'm about to start writing the review, but it's kind of hard to judge. On the one hand it definitely isn't on par with Children of the Storm (the high point of the Voyager relaunch IMO), on the other hand it's better than I feared after Janeway's resurrection (although that could be because Janeway is separated from the rest of the fleet for most of the novel, as in my opinion writing Janeway and Chakotay together is Kirsten's one big weakness).

Still haven't decided if I will give it an average or above average on the poll.
 
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Congrats Kristen on being a NY Times Best Selling Author:bolian: I finished the book today and voted above average. Looking forward to the next book.
 
The Worlds of the First Quadrant seem an interesting addition to the Trek 'verse, and I like that the Full Circle fleet now potentially has a home base in the Delta Quadrant.
why don't the fleet go straight to the 37's planet? They can definitely built homebase there with the help of more than 150k humans as potential resources :)

and, the only bad boys there are the Kazons, who were not worthy of Borg Assimilation :)
 
The Worlds of the First Quadrant seem an interesting addition to the Trek 'verse, and I like that the Full Circle fleet now potentially has a home base in the Delta Quadrant.
why don't the fleet go straight to the 37's planet? They can definitely built homebase there with the help of more than 150k humans as potential resources :)

and, the only bad boys there are the Kazons, who were not worthy of Borg Assimilation :)

That's way too far away. It makes no sense to make the homebase there, when the Talaxian asteroid where Neelix lives is so much closer, not to mention the chain of relays required to communicate with Starfleet would have to go through thousands of lightyears of hostile territory.
 
Listening to the LiterarayTreks podcast now with Kirsten Beyer great discussion about Protector and her upcoming Voyager books.:)
 
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