Dominion War Casualties

[Ro_Laren]

What Dominion War casualty figures do remember learning about when watching DS9? How many Federation casualties were there (Starfleet and civilian)? Which ships and bases were destroyed? What Federation territory (ex: Betazed) were occupied during the war? Of course, I can't remember if Betazed was really occupied or if it was just attacked. It would also be interesting to know these figures for the Klingon and Romulan Empires.

 

[Finn]

That's a lot of information you are asking for, and there aren't canon answers for some of them. Memory Alpha might help you with that.

 

[desfem79]

If only UFP casualties, I'd imagine perhaps hundreds of millions of Starfleet personnel. If all UFP citizens total 1 trillion or more individuals, then this is a drop in the ocean.

Total casualties period (for both UFP/Klingons/Romulans vs. Dominion and Cardassia/Breen) may total in the many billions, perhaps 5-10. Seems hard to imagine, but then considering the Dominion alone, the jem'hadar are obviously cannon fodder. So the Founders can breed legions at will, perhaps millions per day just to die for their "gods" lol..

 

[Xzpezer]

It was probably in the hundreds of millions.

 

[USS Triumphant]

If I recall correctly, they managed to occupy Betazed. If they were human, I couldn't see that happening without at least one major city on the planet getting wiped out. But maybe the Betazoids could tell how serious they were by reading their minds, and surrendered quickly. But speaking of which, how the heck did they manage to do that to a species that could read their thoughts?! Talk about telegraphing an attack.

 

[Vulcan Logician]

^ I know that the Founders are immune to Betazed telepathy. Maybe they made all the decisions and kept all the necessary secrets.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I didn't get the impression that the Dominion inflicted a lot of Federation civilian casualties. They planned to do so on Earth, but I think from their perspective, that was the only planet they'd need to do it on, because if Earth was wiped out every other planet would fall in line.

So it really depends if you count Cardassia. The civilian casualties were much worse on Cardassia than anywhere else, at least in the nine figures if not ten.

The rest of the galaxy, I'd say seven or eight figures.

The Benzyte homeworld was occupied and then liberated by Romulus. No word on whether Romulus left Benzyte after the war.

 

[arch101]

Given the fact that this was a full-scale interstellar war, the figures would have to be in the billions. I would think there were some planets that were completely wiped out. Cardassia alone lost, what, at least 1 billion when the Dominion "punished" them near the end of the war? When you think about the Earth having 6 billion people on it today, and all the worlds involved in the Dominion War, a figure of many billions comes up pretty quickly.
The front line seemed to be fluid during the years of the war. Early on, the Dominion occupied a fair distance into Federation and Klingon space before being mostly pushed back to Cardassian borders about mid-war. The Dominion grabbed Betazed late in the war with what seemed to be a last-chance "Battle of the Bulge" offensive before being pushed all the way back to Cardassia for good.

 

[RCAM]

I just watched the finale earlier today, and I believe the number quoted is 800 million (though that could just be for the Federation alliance and not both sides combined).

 

[USS KG5]

I just watched the finale earlier today, and I believe the number quoted is 800 million (though that could just be for the Federation alliance and not both sides combined).

That was Cardassian casualties in the genocidal slaughter the Dominion launched on their planet at the end, so add their war dead to that.

It seems unlikely Federation casualties were more than about 200,000 military and maybe a few million civilian. Tragic and horrific yes, but the war only went on for two years, and there are no on-screen slaughters or genocides, or ones we are told about.

No idea where billions of casualties would have come from, the Dominion was out to conquer not slaughter, not the good guys but not maniacs.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

^Barack says that the reports of civilian C ardassian casualties were still coming in, so it would be higher than 800 million.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

If only UFP casualties, I'd imagine perhaps hundreds of millions of Starfleet personnel. If all UFP citizens total 1 trillion or more individuals, then this is a drop in the ocean.

Total casualties period (for both UFP/Klingons/Romulans vs. Dominion and Cardassia/Breen) may total in the many billions, perhaps 5-10. Seems hard to imagine, but then considering the Dominion alone, the jem'hadar are obviously cannon fodder. So the Founders can breed legions at will, perhaps millions per day just to die for their "gods" lol..

Don't forget all the Weyouns who meet mysterious ends when near Damar!

Estimating what casualties were experienced by the Federation Alliance would require wrestling with how much the Klingons were like the Russians. The latter were involved more directly in combat for a longer period of time, and they were more likely not to be concerned about the loss of life. If the Russians lost as many as 14 million soldiers, could relative Klingon number get close to 1 billion?

Then there's the issue of what the Vorta and the Founder did to suppress the populations of occupied planets. Weyoun may not have wanted to wipe out every population, but he might have preferred drastic measures in order to insure obedience.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Weyoun would definitely have inflicted serious casualties in order to ensure obedience, but that's not what it would have done in this case. It was clear there were major slaughters forthcoming after the war, but during the war Weyoun was managing a PR fight. He didn't want to do anything to mobilize more troops against him than necessary before destroying the Federation. That's exactly what massive genocides would have accomplished, told everybody 'If the Dominion gets here this is what they'll do to us'.

I doubt the Dominion would have wasted war resources on just bolstering the civilian death count, not while the Federation was still capable of fighting back. They would have gained nothing and lost credibility.

 

[Ro_Laren]

^ I know that the Founders are immune to Betazed telepathy. Maybe they made all the decisions and kept all the necessary secrets.

In which episode did we learn this?

The Benzyte homeworld was occupied and then liberated by Romulus. No word on whether Romulus left Benzyte after the war.

What episode mentioned this?

 

[USS Triumphant]

^ I know that the Founders are immune to Betazed telepathy. Maybe they made all the decisions and kept all the necessary secrets.

In which episode did we learn this?

Could not find a citation for this.

The Benzyte homeworld was occupied and then liberated by Romulus. No word on whether Romulus left Benzyte after the war.

What episode mentioned this?

DS9: "The Reckoning", and the Benzite homeworld is called Benzar.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Lwaxana couldn't read Odo's mind in her first appearance.

 

[doylem1]

We know from Picard in 1st contact that the federation spans 8000 light years. And from sacrifice of angels fighting was going on around the vulcan boarder. Does anyone know exactly how far into federation space the dominion managed to advance. as Vulcan is a core world, making Earth, Andor, Tellar viable targets aswell. If the dominion pushed this far into fed space than they must have occupied a large sum of fed territory, considering the federation had been growing and expanding outwards from it core worlds for 200 years.
Or was it script writers wanting to use a well know member world for dramatic effect

 

[Ro_Laren]

Lwaxana couldn't read Odo's mind in her first appearance.

Hahaha! I forgot about that!

 

[USS KG5]

We know from Picard in 1st contact that the federation spans 8000 light years. And from sacrifice of angels fighting was going on around the vulcan boarder. Does anyone know exactly how far into federation space the dominion managed to advance. as Vulcan is a core world, making Earth, Andor, Tellar viable targets aswell. If the dominion pushed this far into fed space than they must have occupied a large sum of fed territory, considering the federation had been growing and expanding outwards from it core worlds for 200 years.
Or was it script writers wanting to use a well know member world for dramatic effect

The latter most likely!

The Federation might span 8000 light years overall but the core is canonically very close to both Kronos and Romulus and although Cardassia was a bit more distant, Bajor was only a few days from Earth.

Large chunks of Fed territory are likely more distant and untouched by the war. It is probably more like the British Empire spread out over large chunks of space with other powers inbetween, rather than like the USA. Also of course in 3d

 

[Bad Thoughts]

We know from Picard in 1st contact that the federation spans 8000 light years. And from sacrifice of angels fighting was going on around the vulcan boarder. Does anyone know exactly how far into federation space the dominion managed to advance. as Vulcan is a core world, making Earth, Andor, Tellar viable targets aswell. If the dominion pushed this far into fed space than they must have occupied a large sum of fed territory, considering the federation had been growing and expanding outwards from it core worlds for 200 years.
Or was it script writers wanting to use a well know member world for dramatic effect

The latter most likely!

The Federation might span 8000 light years overall but the core is canonically very close to both Kronos and Romulus and although Cardassia was a bit more distant, Bajor was only a few days from Earth.

Earlier in the episode, it's mentioned that the Romulans allowed the Jem'hadar to pass through their space without complaint. Federation ships had encountered Jem'hadar along the Neutral Zone. The Romulan Empire should be relatively close to the core worlds of the Federation, as they were one of the first political entities Earth and the Federation encountered.