Natalie Portman in "Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones"

[Noddy]

Why?

Because this kind of discussion is sick and degrading.

I suggest that if you have a problem with any moderator's actions you take it up with them in private.

Going forward, let's keep the discussion above the locker-room level. Complimenting Ms Portman or any actress on their appearance can be done without debasing them or yourselves.

Not according to some.

And the comments I made in other threads weren't that bad.....but then I foolishly believed people here were more open-minded. Silly, silly me....

 

[Neroon]

Because this kind of discussion is sick and degrading.

I suggest that if you have a problem with any moderator's actions you take it up with them in private.

Going forward, let's keep the discussion above the locker-room level. Complimenting Ms Portman or any actress on their appearance can be done without debasing them or yourselves.

Not according to some.

And the comments I made in other threads weren't that bad.....but then I foolishly believed people here were more open-minded. Silly, silly me....

Infraction for trolling. Comments to PM

 

[cooleddie74]

Natalie: good, skilled young actress playing a commendable female heroine and the mother of two of the most pivotal characters in the entire Saga.

Script: meh/so-so for the most part and just downright mediocre in spots.

Natalie + Script = the best that likely could have happened given the circumstances and talent. She can get too much flak for her portrayal of the Queen and Padmé and some fans need to remember that it was the dialogue and the set direction of George Lucas that played even bigger roles in the overall quality of Natalie's results on-screen.

 

[Noddy]

I find Natalie Portman sexy.

 

[Noddy]

Why isn't this thread locked yet?

 

[Turtletrekker]

Dude. Diva much?

 

[Neroon]

I find Natalie Portman sexy.

Why isn't this thread locked yet?

I know your feathers have been ruffled because of earlier actions, but you need to knock off this kind of stunt or receive even more infractions.

Dude. Diva much?

Please let the mods handle this.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Star Wars makes more sense if Obiwan is the father of the Skywalker twins.

Owen owns a massive farm, yet his sister and nephew are slaves.

I think Shmi got into a lot of dark shit in her time that Owen though it was safer for her and the child to be left in captivity rather than be trusted to their own devices.

Unless, Own is the huge dick who sold his sister and nephew into slavery to pay for the down deposit on his moisture farm?

"Shmi, just give me a couple years to get the farm into the black and then I promise, the first thing I do will be to buy you back from what ever whore house you're traded to."

Was she like a maid?

For a slave, she didn't do much work you couldn't pay some one modestly to do.

(Read a little of her biography. Owen was her step son to a post slavery marriage I completely forgot about, so never mind my rant as something actually factual.)

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

A vast farm of dirt. Shmi is probably worth more than all of Owen's crappy equipment put together. Owen may also have been hugely in debt and not have any money to buy anyone out of slavery.

 

[Guy Gardener]

And if you got to the bottom of my tirade... Owen was her (step)son.

Owen's father, who owned the farm a generation earlier, did Buy Shmi out of slavery and then married her... Although this is all sort of Kes and Neelix, because are we sure that she loved him and Shmi wasn't just trading up a little form one sort of slavery to another?

Yes, Shmi was sweet and innocent, and hardly calculating, but it does seem that it's a honey trap to scam a marriage out of a rich land holder, when 90 percent of her life seemed to be picking up scat from the winged monkey who held her paperwork, it wouldn't be too deceitful to just roll with it.

 

[cooleddie74]

Meh. Cliegg Lars knew what he was getting into when he bought the freedom of a former Mos Espa slave woman whose only child had gone away and left her behind. If Shmi did play Cliegg, Owen and Beru at any stage along the way then I doubt it was from any malevolent, dismissive perspective where she didn't care about their feelings, she was simply a former slave who had spent many years of her life scrounging and doing things behind closed doors and in the shadows to make her way in the world and in the case of most of her time with Watto, supporting her son whom she loved more than her own concerns and desires.

Cliegg loved her. She apparently loved him and they gave one another much affection and respect. They both benefitted from the marriage. Any man who would all but permanently cripple himself going out into the desert wastes of Tatooine to look for her wouldn't do so because he had mixed or nonexistent feelings for the woman.

 

[Gaith]

And Padme didn't buy Shmi her freedom immediately after TPM why, again?

 

[OdoWanKenobi]

^Watto wasn't looking to sell, I would imagine.

 

[Gary Mitchell]

And Padme didn't buy Shmi her freedom immediately after TPM why, again?

It must have slipped her mind. Maybe little Ani was already using his midichlorians to mess with her head.

 

[Mr Light]

Owen is the son of Cliegg Lars from a previous marriage. So Shmi wasn't related to anyone with money until she gave it up to the guy with the awesome grizzled voice.

 

[cooleddie74]

Remember, even Qui-Gon - a powerful Jedi Master - couldn't convince Watto to sell Shmi. "I tried to free your mother, Ani, but....Watto wouldn't have it."

He was angry from losing the Boonta Eve podrace bet and Anakin with it, and wasn't about to lose anything else to the Outworlders. Padmé probably didn't give it a second thought as she and Anakin parted ways for the next 10 years in the wake of the Battle of Naboo and his entering the Jedi Temple to begin his training.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Hutt ran Tattoine. It was out side the old republics mandate.

Padme couldn't have just freed a handful of slaves, she could have conquered that planet and brought republican law to that Mudball.

Actually, but the time of a New Hope, Tatooine was an Imperial World.

Was it Vader or Palpatine who laid siege to the Hutt and smashed all resistance till those that survived bowed to Imperial thrall and emancipated all their chattel?

Did The Empire have different ideas on slavery than the Old Republic though?

I'm not sure how involved Vader was in the admission to Tatooine to the Empire, but this is what I can see him doing after he was told that he had full command of a Super Star Destroyer and it's near endless pay load of Concussion Missiles to mount war games in the "seemingly" empty wastelands of Tatooine from orbit.

I'm surprised there were any Tuscan raiders left by the time of New Hope.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Remember, even Qui-Gon - a powerful Jedi Master - couldn't convince Watto to sell Shmi. "I tried to free your mother, Ani, but....Watto wouldn't have it."

He was angry from losing the Boonta Eve podrace bet and Anakin with it, and wasn't about to lose anything else to the Outworlders. Padmé probably didn't give it a second thought as she and Anakin parted ways for the next 10 years in the wake of the Battle of Naboo and his entering the Jedi Temple to begin his training.

Based on the dialog we were fed, Watto wouldn't sell just because Qui-Gon didn't have enough money. He'd need to offer Watto not only enough to buy a replacement, but also enough in addition to cover most or all his losses.

As for whether Padmé had enough money, or rather liquid cash, it could have been a staggering amount even for her family, given that this is criminal activity on the Outer Rim we're talking about. But, given their swanky temple, the Jedi should have easily had enough, I'd imagine. It was against their creed of non-attachment, I suppose.

All or at least mostly pure speculation on my part, of course.

In any case, barking up this tree after an obvious plot hole such as this, these aren't the droids we're looking for.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Ordinary People at market prices can't cost that much if other regular people can afford to buy and sell slaves and rich people can afford to buy and sell many slaves, and it seems sensible and profitable to actually buy slaves,

A top of the line star ship is worth less than a 40 year old slave?

Watto was not just ####ing Shmi, (pause to create mental image... ) but it's a certainty that he was in love with her which is why he wouldn't sell her for 10 times market price.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I think the whole issue is a giant plot hole. With that said:

With respect to how much in credits a person cost, I'm thinking along the lines that Republic credits were worthless on Tatooine, so it would first be necessary to convert credits. First of all, buying into a presumably technically illegal currency should be costly. Secondly, there are no Republic services out there what services there are are provided by the Hutts, and that has to be paid for somehow. Thirdly, people on the Outer Rim wouldn't enjoy the economy of scale that covers the Republic proper. For at least these reasons, I'd imagine that prices for everything across the board would look a lot higher to someone coming out from the inner part of the galaxy.

As for the J-type 327 starship, it was property of the government of Naboo and not privately owned, so it could easily have been extremely expensive if not unaffordable for Padmé's family. Also, Qui-Gon bartered the starship at a bargain basement price, one reason being that it didn't have a hyperdrive.

Again, I re-emphasize that this post represents an attempt to explain something that is a plot hole!