Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof should not Return.

[Cara007]

I thought the Genesis Effect literally resurrecting Spock was also pretty weaksauce, yes.

The Enterprise has also encountered many aliens with tech-indistinguishable-from-magic -- I'm sure Q could probably resurrect people if it suited him, let alone Nomad "repairing" Scotty -- but those encounters are typically one-shots, not replicable medical technologies. Which is a good idea, since giving your heroes the ability to just pop to sickbay and resurrect themselves is narratively probably unwise.

No doubt they'll come up with a "fix" for that problem in the next movie, of course.

Trek has a habit of ignoring "advanced technologies" that will become narratively unwise in future installments, so I'm not too worried.

I would think the nanoprobes should be a tech that Starfleet Medical would be exploring, especially with a tamed Borg at their disposal.

Bit of a shame they couldn't duplicate Nomad's memory banks before it exploded.

Truly, I don know. What I know is that I do not want Lindelof and Kurtzman to return. Orci has potential but I feel his writing partners are just meh. Can't we get a very good screen writer who has had a lot of critical acclaim to write Trek 3?

So you know who wrote what?

James Cameron is not my favourite screen writer but I will rather have him write and direct Trek 3. Christopher Nolan is a very good writer as well but his writing can be very one dimensional at times because he takes it too seriously.

Yeah, like either one is a possibility.

Joss Wheedon would have been the perfect fit for Trek 3.

For what reasons?

I have always loved Joss. I loved him before he got so huge and popular last year with Avengers. Joss is a genius. Buffy the vampire slayer is one of the best ever written shows on Television.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I have always loved Joss. I loved him before he got so huge and popular last year with Avengers. Joss is a genius. Buffy the vampire slayer is one of the best ever written shows on Television.

But what's right for Buffy might not be right for Trek.

I couldn't get past the first few episodes of Buffy, myself.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Yeah it's a lot less ridiculous than a gazillion other medical magics from Trek.

'Cept for the part where it resurrects people.

Kirk was only mostly dead, hence why they put him in the cryotube to preserve his brain functions.

 

[SeerSGB]

First Contact *grrrrr* Lily's role could have been handed off to Crusher. Take the Briefing Room scene, now have Crusher making the same arguments as Lily and Picard flipping out on Beverly...that's a better scene.

And there by lose the interesting thing about the scene being a mid 21st century post WWIII person calling the oh so evolved better 24th century captain out on his hypocrisy.

Not only that, but that also means replacing Alfre Woodard with Gates McFadden. To add, that means replacing Alfre Woodard with Gates McFadden. Alfre, as Lilly, holds her own for every single second of screen time she gets. She's damn near flawless (IMO, of course), and I think replacing her with the doctor is a step in the wrong direction. I like Gates McFadden, she's a good actress, and she's good with props, but holy tribble sex on a bunsen burner, she has nowhere near the screen presence of Alfre Woodard. I think it would have fallen flat with Crusher confronting Picard.

Replacing Alfre Woodard would be AWFUL!! And replacing her with boring Beverly would turn that scene into Picared/Crusher foreplay and it would be absolutely DULL. DULL. DULL. Lily and Cochrane are great not just because of the actors but because we need to be looking at NEW PEOPLE not the same old same old(er) crew we've been looking at for 7 seasons already.

I think Alfre Woodard is a great actress; she's not bad in the role of Lilly. Lilly just grates on my nerves and feels like having her there comes at the expense of character moments and development for the TNG crew. For me, it would have had more punch for Crusher to be the one getting into Picard's face and forcing him to deal with the fact that he's blinded by vengeance.

Yeah it's a lot less ridiculous than a gazillion other medical magics from Trek.

'Cept for the part where it resurrects people.

Kirk was only mostly dead, hence why they put him in the cryotube to preserve his brain functions.

Pretty much on par with the Cryo-Patients from "The Neutral Zone"

 

[BigJake]

Yeah it's a lot less ridiculous than a gazillion other medical magics from Trek.

'Cept for the part where it resurrects people.

Kirk was only mostly dead, hence why they put him in the cryotube to preserve his brain functions.

Miracle Max from Princess Bride should guest star in the next movie!

 

[BillJ]

Pretty much on par with the Cryo-Patients from "The Neutral Zone"

They were all the way dead.

But you know you're not allowed to bring up past Trek precedents when evaluating the Abrams films. When the older episodes/films do something off-the-wall? Genius. When the Abrams films do it? He's pissing all over Star Trek, its fans and its legacy.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

As if "The Neutral Zone" is all that revered by fans as "genius". I do get what you're saying though, and there are hypocritical fans who praise a certain element on one place, but trash it when Abrams does the same thing. Really though, forget them. I do think the magic blood thing is stupid, but that doesn't mean I liked it when it was done in the past. Trek has done some pretty stupid and goofy things in the past, but I don't think that means you just keep doing those things and assume it's all kosher because it's been done before anyway. At one point Spock goes blind, but oh wait he has a second set of inner eyelids, so he's okay! That kind of stuff is cheap, and I'd prefer Trek to move away from that kind of stuff unless it does something truly interesting. Like the Neelix episode when he gets revived by nanoprobes. Totally silly, but it actually delves deeper into how Neelix perceives the afterlife so that silly element from the beginning is more of a catalyst rather than a cop out.

 

[CorporalClegg]

"The Neutral Zone" has Leon Rippy; it's automatically genius.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Like "McCoy's Magic Kidney Pills". Guarantee to grow you a new kidney in minutes or your money back!

The real miracle was the woman getting her scan results back so efficiently.

 

[SeerSGB]

Like "McCoy's Magic Kidney Pills". Guarantee to grow you a new kidney in minutes or your money back!

The real miracle was the woman getting her scan results back so efficiently.

Wait till she gets the bill though. You can bet that hospital charged her for that new kidney

Oh shit: What if McCoy's healing pills were the baseline for Khan's healing blood? Prime McCoy could have created magic blood when he contaminated the timeline.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

"The Neutral Zone" has Leon Rippy; it's automatically genius.

He's probably the only good part of that episode. Just wanted to throw a party.

 

[BigJake]

When the older episodes/films do something off-the-wall? . . . When the Abrams films do it?

Yeah, like Makeshift says, a bad Abramstrek idea doesn't become automatically valid if you can find some almost-as-bad distant half-cousin to it in old Trek. I'm surprised at how often it's necessary to point that out on this forum.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

IT's not that it becomes a good idea because it happened in past shows (and no, not as a distant half cousin but just as egregious plot fixes). It's that it stops being a bad idea that Abrams uniquely foisted on the franchise because he doesn't respect science fiction or whatever people are currently moaning he failed at.

 

[BigJake]

It's that it stops being a bad idea that Abrams uniquely foisted on the franchise . . .

Can't say as I much care whether this or that specific trope was "unique" to Abrams or not. It's how they're combined that makes nuTrek so truly... singular. So very much itself. As it were.

At one point Spock goes blind, but oh wait he has a second set of inner eyelids, so he's okay!

Even as a kid I remember thinking that was a little over-convenient...

Like the Neelix episode when he gets revived by nanoprobes. Totally silly, but it actually delves deeper into how Neelix perceives the afterlife . . .

Which is what makes it truly unforgivable. Forty minutes of Neelix "character development"... *shudder* Those forty minutes were dark times indeed.

 

[Nerys Myk]

When the older episodes/films do something off-the-wall? . . . When the Abrams films do it?

Yeah, like Makeshift says, a bad Abramstrek idea doesn't become automatically valid if you can find some almost-as-bad distant half-cousin to it in old Trek. I'm surprised at how often it's necessary to point that out on this forum.

But is it really a bad idea? Is the idea that with the application of some 23rd Century medical knowledge Khan's blood can be used to bring Kirk back from what should be a fatal exposure to radiation really a bad one?

 

[BillJ]

When the older episodes/films do something off-the-wall? . . . When the Abrams films do it?

Yeah, like Makeshift says, a bad Abramstrek idea doesn't become automatically valid if you can find some almost-as-bad distant half-cousin to it in old Trek. I'm surprised at how often it's necessary to point that out on this forum.

I was being a touch sarcastic...

But if you'd seen some of the things that have been said on this forum over the past four-and-one-half years, you'd likely be joining me on the grumpy, sarcastic side.

We literally had one poster arguing that Into Darkness wasn't Star Trek because it had Spock running. It is a thing of beauty how some fans perceive the other shows in comparison to the Abrams films.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Oh shit: What if McCoy's healing pills were the baseline for Khan's healing blood? Prime McCoy could have created magic blood when he contaminated the timeline.

It's a thought, but too bad Khan would have already been born (unless he aged super-fast growing up).

 

[BillJ]

But is it really a bad idea? Is the idea that with the application of some 23rd Century medical knowledge Khan's blood can be used to bring Kirk back from what should be a fatal exposure to radiation really a bad one?

Is it really any worse than Neelix and his holographic lungs?

 

[Nerys Myk]

]At one point Spock goes blind, but oh wait he has a second set of inner eyelids, so he's okay!

Even as a kid I remember thinking that was a little over-convenient...

Spock always seems develop a new "superpower" when needed.

 

[SeerSGB]

When the older episodes/films do something off-the-wall? . . . When the Abrams films do it?

Yeah, like Makeshift says, a bad Abramstrek idea doesn't become automatically valid if you can find some almost-as-bad distant half-cousin to it in old Trek. I'm surprised at how often it's necessary to point that out on this forum.

The point is, and why this stuff gets pointed out, is cause certain people act like Abrams and Co. are going out of their way to piss on the franchise. What's getting missed is that the writing is actually pretty true to tone and style of TOS. I've said in the past: the new movies are "average" Trek films once you strip away the visuals. In terms of story and / or writing, there is nothing standout about the movies. These are strictly formula / paint by numbers, Trek stories. Yet, they're still fun and entertaining films.

Every "sin" the new movies have committed are no worse or no better than the same "sin" when it was done in past incarnations of the franchise.

The minute a complaint starts wit "Star Trek never did [insert complaint]". It's a safe bet that it did at some point in the last four decades. Which is my biggest beef with the new movies: It should have been a wholesale slaughter and reboot fo the franchise. They're actually to loyal to the franchise's past.

But is it really a bad idea? Is the idea that with the application of some 23rd Century medical knowledge Khan's blood can be used to bring Kirk back from what should be a fatal exposure to radiation really a bad one?

Is it really any worse than Neelix and his holographic lungs?

Almost forgot about that nonsense. Right up there with replacing Vedek Bareil's brain with a positronic matrix.