Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof should not Return.

[Timewalker]

Exactly.

Extremely profitable movie, 90% approval rating, much of the 10% non-approval from fundementalist fans not the major audience, most successful outing of a franchise for a studio in many years etc etc

Yeah I think they know what they're doing, this writing team managed in a short time what Berman couldn't live up to in three or four times that span.

I for one want them to stick around.

Profit does not equal quality, or even likeability.

By some folks over-simplification of the intentions of the writers in STiD, Ripley from the Alien franchise was a useless, one-dimensional character because she wielded weapons and ran about in her underwear.

I'd like to see what Uhura would do if she were put in a situation where she's alone, without help and has only herself to rely on. You know? The kind of situations that shows a character's vulnerability, weakness and potential catastrophic decision making? No, we can't have that with someone like Uhura because we don't want her to appear weak. If you look at Ripley in ALIEN, she does have her weak moments. Even with a flame thrower in hand and a ship that's about to blow up, you can easily tell she's scared out of her mind. She doesn't know where the alien is, but she must keep going if she wants to survive. It's a genuine struggle. For Uhura, the only struggle that she has to overcome is not fretting over Spock.

If they put her in that situation alone, you'd be in here complaining that the scene was done that way because the writers didn't want her showing up the men.

BS. One thing that struck me about nuUhura's dialogue with the Klingons is that she said they were there to help them. For a species that thrives on ideals of strength and honor, this was pretty much an insult, not a courtesy. I'm not surprised they reacted as they did, and of course nuUhura needed rescuing.

I don't remember any Voyager fans bitching when Janeway, Seven, or B'Elanna were put in situations alone, scared, and having to fight or die. Why the hell would anyone object if nuUhura were put in that kind of situation?

 

[Jeyl]

If they put her in that situation alone, you'd be in here complaining that the scene was done that way because the writers didn't want her showing up the men.

You're wrong. I'd actually praise the scene for doing something that really hasn't been done in Star Trek before. But given what our trio of writers "think" is good story telling, I don't think they're even interested in going in that direction. Remember the interview with Damon Lindelof regarding how Star Trek Into Darkness was originally going to end?

But there were earlier story iterations where the Klingon Fleet was simultaneously heading for Earth to get retribution, only to be turned around via diplomatic intervention by Uhura. We dropped it pretty early on, as it didn’t feel intimate, cool, or earned.”

Not intimate, cool or earned? Let me get this straight. In order to come up with the best use of her character, our trio came up with two scenarios. One where Uhura is on the bridge facing off an entire Klingon Armada where she puts her unique character skills to the ultimate test in order to save literally EVERYONE, and another situation where she shoots at Khan that only serves to irritate so that Spock can do the rest of the work. And the one scenario they picked that was more "intimate, cool and earned" is the one where she uses a gun and irritates the bad guy...

Absolute rubbish.

Let me try and picture it. The Enterprise is sitting in Earth orbit. It's crippled, charred, pieces of the hull are still ripping off and it's lights are flickering on and off like a Christmas tree. Everyone thinks the worst is over, until they see a huge wave of Klingon battle cruisers ships entering the system. You have an image of Earth on one side, the Klingons on the other and a drifting Enterprise in the middle. Everyone on the bridge goes into their non-stop jargon about what's working and what isn't until Uhura comes in and takes command, ordering someone to hail the Klingons. Nothing. Sulu says that all the Klingon ships are locking weapons onto the Enterprise and the crew can see through the view screen that the Klingon Crusiers' torpedo launchers start to warm up. Now I don't know exactly where this scene would go or what Uhura would say in order to convince the Klingons to accept the Enterprise's hail, but I would certainly say that the person responsible for the deaths on Kronos is the same person who is responsible for the recent attack on Earth, destruction of which the Klingons confirm. This would actually give the destruction of SF a good use instead of just having it happen for the sake of it.

I'm not saying what I just laid out is how it will all work, but there is something there that's far more intimate, more cool and more earned for Uhura's character rather than simply giving her a phaser and shooting a guy. Too bad they couldn't convince themselves to go with that scene like they did with using Khan.

Khan is to the series what The Joker is to ‘Batman’ – that’s when we decided we earned it

 

[shapeshifter]

TNG was pretty much the Picard, Data and sometimes Worf show. The others got a few scraps tossed their way from time to time.

Especially once we got to the feature films. Did Crusher or Troi do anything notable at all, in any of them?

Troi got drunk and Crusher got a free boob job.

 

[Kemaiku]

TNG was pretty much the Picard, Data and sometimes Worf show. The others got a few scraps tossed their way from time to time.

Especially once we got to the feature films. Did Crusher or Troi do anything notable at all, in any of them?

Troi got drunk and Crusher got a free boob job.

Crusher forgot all 7 years of her having worked on Geordi's VISOR and much of her medical and Starfleet training to allow the bugged VISOR to be the undoing of the entire Enterprise and a portion of her crew.

Troi...did...fuck it I'm not even going to pretend there's something to write here. But then she was useless the entire 7 year run of TNG, basically self propelled set piece.

Picard and Data arsing about was all the 4 TNG films were about, them were mind numbingly boring and pointless.

 

[Balrog]

Always thought of the main triple-act in TNG being Picard, Riker, Data

Nah, it was Worf.

Riker was only around when it was free donut day.

 

[BillJ]

Always thought of the main triple-act in TNG being Picard, Riker, Data

Nah, it was Worf.

Riker was only around when it was free donut day.

Riker was fucking useless.

 

[Balrog]

Awwww...

I like Riker. No one can strut into a room chest first, head cocked to the side like him.

 

[Kemaiku]

Always thought of the main triple-act in TNG being Picard, Riker, Data

Nah, it was Worf.

Riker was only around when it was free donut day.

Riker was fucking useless.

Now now, he was the inertial damper calibration dummy.

 

[BigJake]

Riker was fucking useless.

But riddle me this! If this was true... why is the presence or absence of Riker's beard widely-acknowledged as the measure of the show's quality?

Did Worf save the show with his beard? I think not!!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Riker was fucking useless.

But riddle me this! If this was true... why is the presence or absence of Riker's beard widely-acknowledged as the measure of the show's quality?

Did Worf save the show with his beard? I think not!!

He saved it with his hair. The longer it got, the better the show got.

 

[Ryan8bit]

It's the same "budget cut" that Superman Vs. Batman is getting - and frankly, if it's good enough for icons like them it's good enough for Star Trek.

Uh... what does this even mean?

That a huge franchise crossover like that needs to take a relocation budget cut in order to remain profitable, it's hardly a big deal that the same is happening to Trek.

I never said it was a big deal, just that it signifies that the movies aren't as "extremely profitable" as some like to claim. The same is obviously true for Superman.

 

[BigJake]

He saved it with his hair. The longer it got, the better the show got.

I would like you to know that I have a completely and totally devastating refutation of this point ready to hand.

I'm just choosing not to share it. Right now. Because it's too awesome.

 

[siskokid888]

I wish this guys don't return for the third film. No offence, I am not saying they are awful but they don't just work for a franchise like Star Trek. Orci and his friends are male fan writers so it is only logical that their writing in film lacks depth, substance and is filled with too much explosions, twisted sex scenes, unnecessary nudity and all the shallowness there is with little story.

They also care too much about showing off a woman's hotness and using her as a sex object than writing her as a strong formidable woman.

Star Trek films should have a very deep story with a lot of philosophical and intellectual influences. Star Trek has never falling into the mindless summer action flicks that no one will remember again once the summer is over talk less of before the year is over.

Orci and his friends are more suited for the popcorn action flicks with all the cars and the girls like Transformers and Fast and the Furious. They just don't fit Star Trek.

I advice Paramount to get real credible and intelligent science fiction writers like Micko Kaku or Neil deGrasse Tyson to at least write the story for Star Trek and then get an Oscar winning or nominated indie screen writer or a screen writers with a large body of work that has been met with high critical acclaim to write the script for the next film.

I have been so torn with how I feel about Into Darkness but now that the year is almost over, I can now say the film was a missed opportunity and the fault is with story.

I don't except Paramount to listen to many fans. All they care about is making money and the only way to make money is to have explosions explosions and explosions with really hot girls that do nothing.

Its sad especially with Gravity out. Gravity was a beautiful and well in depth sci-fi film that will be remembered for a long time. It is what Star Trek Into Darkness should have been.

I in no way want to demean your opinion, but I encourage you to go on "The Onion" website and look up a satirical article they did after Trek09 came out. Its entitled "Trek fans pan new film as fun, watchable". You'll get a good laugh, and maybe a little insight.

 

[Balrog]

Riker was fucking useless.

But riddle me this! If this was true... why is the presence or absence of Riker's beard widely-acknowledged as the measure of the show's quality?

Did Worf save the show with his beard? I think not!!

He saved it with his hair. The longer it got, the better the show got.

I object. When his hair went to pony-tail, it was on the other side of TNG's high point. The best Worf Hair Years were his Donna Reed hairstyle.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

DS9 objects to that. Though it's too bad the pony tail didn't help the TNG films. Guess it can only do so much!

 

[Timewalker]

I object. When his hair went to pony-tail, it was on the other side of TNG's high point. The best Worf Hair Years were his Donna Reed hairstyle.

Now I'm picturing Worf in a housewife's dress (knee-length), pearl necklace, apron, and high heels.

 

[Nerys Myk]

You wouldn't be the first.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

TNG was pretty much the Picard, Data and sometimes Worf show. The others got a few scraps tossed their way from time to time.

Especially once we got to the feature films. Did Crusher or Troi do anything notable at all, in any of them?

Troi got drunk and Crusher got a free boob job.

Especially once we got to the feature films. Did Crusher or Troi do anything notable at all, in any of them?

Troi got drunk and Crusher got a free boob job.

Crusher forgot all 7 years of her having worked on Geordi's VISOR and much of her medical and Starfleet training to allow the bugged VISOR to be the undoing of the entire Enterprise and a portion of her crew.

Troi...did...fuck it I'm not even going to pretend there's something to write here. But then she was useless the entire 7 year run of TNG, basically self propelled set piece.

Picard and Data arsing about was all the 4 TNG films were about, them were mind numbingly boring and pointless.

What's what all of the Next Generation hate? The show still has a lot of fans, and many ladies still love both Crusher and Troi flaws and all.

I wish this guys don't return for the third film. No offence, I am not saying they are awful but they don't just work for a franchise like Star Trek. Orci and his friends are male fan writers so it is only logical that their writing in film lacks depth, substance and is filled with too much explosions, twisted sex scenes, unnecessary nudity and all the shallowness there is with little story.

They also care too much about showing off a woman's hotness and using her as a sex object than writing her as a strong formidable woman.

Star Trek films should have a very deep story with a lot of philosophical and intellectual influences. Star Trek has never falling into the mindless summer action flicks that no one will remember again once the summer is over talk less of before the year is over.

Orci and his friends are more suited for the popcorn action flicks with all the cars and the girls like Transformers and Fast and the Furious. They just don't fit Star Trek.

I advice Paramount to get real credible and intelligent science fiction writers like Micko Kaku or Neil deGrasse Tyson to at least write the story for Star Trek and then get an Oscar winning or nominated indie screen writer or a screen writers with a large body of work that has been met with high critical acclaim to write the script for the next film.

I have been so torn with how I feel about Into Darkness but now that the year is almost over, I can now say the film was a missed opportunity and the fault is with story.

I don't except Paramount to listen to many fans. All they care about is making money and the only way to make money is to have explosions explosions and explosions with really hot girls that do nothing.

Its sad especially with Gravity out. Gravity was a beautiful and well in depth sci-fi film that will be remembered for a long time. It is what Star Trek Into Darkness should have been.

I in no way want to demean your opinion, but I encourage you to go on "The Onion" website and look up a satirical article they did after Trek09 came out. Its entitled "Trek fans pan new film as fun, watchable". You'll get a good laugh, and maybe a little insight.

Are you kidding? Despite that and what else has been said here by everybody else, most people like the OP won't ever listen, but still get madder and madder at being told that. At time like this, and in post like this, I just want to give up convincing them.

Cara007; who should be doing this? Please tell me, and give me, a complete list of people that you think are true to the spirit of Star Trek that can write a great script that can please overcritical fans like you, the general public, AND critics, as well as make Paramount's executives happy financially. I'm just dying to hear.

 

[SeerSGB]

TNG was pretty much the Picard, Data and sometimes Worf show. The others got a few scraps tossed their way from time to time.

Especially once we got to the feature films. Did Crusher or Troi do anything notable at all, in any of them?

Especially once we got to the feature films. Did Crusher or Troi do anything notable at all, in any of them?

Troi got drunk and Crusher got a free boob job.

Troi got drunk and Crusher got a free boob job.

Crusher forgot all 7 years of her having worked on Geordi's VISOR and much of her medical and Starfleet training to allow the bugged VISOR to be the undoing of the entire Enterprise and a portion of her crew.

Troi...did...fuck it I'm not even going to pretend there's something to write here. But then she was useless the entire 7 year run of TNG, basically self propelled set piece.

Picard and Data arsing about was all the 4 TNG films were about, them were mind numbingly boring and pointless.

What's whit all of the Next Generation hate? The show still has a lot of fans, and many ladies still love both Crusher and Troi.

I love TNG. Don't think its held up to well over time, but still I love it. I tolerate the TNG movies. There's not a one of them that did the TNG cast real justice and Crusher and Troi really go screwed over to the point that they could have been left out all together.

 

[BillJ]

What's whit all of the Next Generation hate? The show still has a lot of fans, and many ladies still love both Crusher and Troi.

It's not hate, just a fact. Crusher and Troi did little of note in the TNG films and Troi was mostly useless during the series run.