I was always slightly confused by the Third Doctor's death; mostly that he appeared to actually "die", until K'Anpo kick starts his regeneration for him. The thing is he had plenty of time to do this himself before the end.
The Night Of The Doctor
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But for a Timelord, dying & not regenerating are pretty different things. It seems most things that would kill us would kill h the Doctor.
A throw-away line about something during the crash negating the regeneration would have been nice.
OMFG! I was screaming like a fraking idiot.
Loved it!
How in the name off all thats apparently holy, did Moff and the BBC keep this under their hats. Seriously, i love Moff for this.
Since 1996 when i watched the movie air, i was only 12 btw, i have loved McGanns doctor. Fair play, his material he had for it was limited, but he put on a decent doctor and ballanced the mad with the emotion and drama perfectly.
When he appeared again, in an 'apparent' regen ep, which i am not taking as gospel just yet, i was so so sooooooooo excited. I still cannot believe what i saw earlier.
I knew we were getting A doctor, but never did i imagine McGann. He has denied it on so many occasions. This was truly a surprise and for that, Moff, i salute you.
Loved the John Hurt facelift. Nice touch.
Loved it!
How in the name off all thats apparently holy, did Moff and the BBC keep this under their hats. Seriously, i love Moff for this.
Since 1996 when i watched the movie air, i was only 12 btw, i have loved McGanns doctor. Fair play, his material he had for it was limited, but he put on a decent doctor and ballanced the mad with the emotion and drama perfectly.
When he appeared again, in an 'apparent' regen ep, which i am not taking as gospel just yet, i was so so sooooooooo excited. I still cannot believe what i saw earlier.
I knew we were getting A doctor, but never did i imagine McGann. He has denied it on so many occasions. This was truly a surprise and for that, Moff, i salute you.
Loved the John Hurt facelift. Nice touch.
That is my take as well. A timelord has to have time to consciously initiate the regeneration process. So, if the death is instantly, then the timelord cannot regenerate and truly dies. The crash certainly seemed pretty violent to me. So, it would make sense to me that the doctor would have been instantly killed on impact and hence no regeneration which is why the sisters of karn intervened.
Or one possible take is, The sister of Karn lied, and a regeneration cycle would have occured in 4 minutes regardless of any intervention they took.
Or we say the master refuse to regenrate in "Last of the Timelords", the Doctor with his failure to save Cass could have decided not to regenerate.
Or we say the master refuse to regenrate in "Last of the Timelords", the Doctor with his failure to save Cass could have decided not to regenerate.
McGann walks out of the Tardis holding seven film cans of Marco Polo.
Universe collapses in on itself under the pressure of so many secrets.
Universe collapses in on itself under the pressure of so many secrets.
The Valeyard and the Watcher come to mind. The Doctor has had slide forms before. John Hurt's character may be in the same class as them I think.
You know that cliche where the hero does some amazing Hail Mary pass that succeeds, and someone asks "How did you know that would work," and the hero says "I didn't?" I think this is one of those. He took a gamble and it paid off.
It's one of the regenerations, but it's not one of the Doctors. As we've pointed out, Moffat has twice now made a point of establishing that this incarnation does not warrant the title "Doctor" because he's a warrior rather than a healer. That's why he called the finale "The Name of the Doctor" -- because it was about revealing that "The Doctor" is a title that carries meaning to him. That being the Doctor is a choice, not a default. And in his ninth incarnation, he chose not to be the Doctor anymore. And then in his tenth life, he reclaimed the title of Doctor once again, and so then he was the Ninth Doctor.
No, "Morbius" was the only episode that implied he had lives before Hartnell. "The Three Doctors" had previously stated explicitly, in dialogue, that Hartnell was his earliest incarnation.
Then again, the actual line in that episode was "the earliest Doctor." So I suppose it's conceivable that the "Morbius" glitch could be explained the same way as the Hurt incarnation: that he had earlier lives, but Hartnell was the first that took the title "Doctor." Except that wouldn't explain the Doctor's statement in "Mawdryn Undead" that he was on his fifth life and had eight regenerations left. I believe the Eighth Doctor was similarly explicit about his lifetimes in the movie. Unless Hartnell's Doctor was himself the beginning of a whole new regeneration cycle. But that contradicts "The Deadly Assassin"'s statement that nothing could prevent death after the twelfth regeneration.
What's his recognition got to do with anything? He's an actor. He reads what's written in the script. He doesn't have to understand the references, he just has to pretend he does.
I don't see how they could do postwar stories with McGann, but it'd be nice if they elaborated on his line in "Night" that he helped out where he could during the war. Stories from when the Time War was raging and the Doctor stayed out of the fighting but did his best to protect people from its consequences.
Right. Regeneration isn't an absolute guarantee. It can save a Time Lord from mortal injury, but not from instantaneous death. And in many of the Doctor's "deaths," there's been uncertainty about whether regeneration would even kick in at all, or whether he would stabilize and survive afterward.
Why assume he would've been able to do it himself? K'anpo was a far more experienced and wise Time Lord, as well as being in much better health. The original series often suggested that the Doctor wasn't particularly good at regeneration, that he couldn't control it the way some Time Lords could (cf. Romana "trying on" new bodies before settling into the Princess Astra look).
I'd just call it the article writer's choice of words and nothing more. We know from the "Night of the Doctor" credits that Hurt's character is called "The War Doctor."
My only familiarity with the Eighth Doctor was the movie, and I've never seen the Brain of Morbius so I wasn't familiar with the Sisterhood of Karn, but despite that, I still loved this. Ever since I saw the movie, I've wanted more McGann on screen, and now we finally got. This is making me seriously consider picking up some McGann audio stories.
For anyone who's interested Big Finish are having a Sale on a bunch of McGann Audio's. I bought some random ones that sounded interesting to me, which is probably the wrong way to do it, but it's going to leave me wanting more I'm guessing
I just bought "Blood of the Daleks part 1!".
I am guessing Big Finish might experience a slight bump in Eight Doctor stories right now.
I'm not sure if there are more McGann's on sales, but, I know there's at least 11 downloads available for The 8th Doctor in The "Main Line" Series First 50 (They permanently marked down their "First 50 of the "Main Range" to $2.99 Dowload or $8.00 CD. 10 of these Are the first 10 McGann/Charley Audios, and #50 is the 40th Anniversary Story Zagreus, which is a Charley/McGann story that also features McCoy, C. Baker, Davison, and I guess Pertwee, but, I don't recall him?). Oh, and that 40th Anniversary Special Zagreus for $2.99 download is a 3-Disk Story, so, that's a steal. I believe it's a direct Sequel to Neverland (#33) [Though, The McGann/Charley Audios, I believe follow an Arc in general anyways]
So, you can Search Big Finish by Main Range Doctor Who, then display All, then sort by Release Order and the Releases 50 and earlier are all on sale, just look for the McGann ones
So, you can Search Big Finish by Main Range Doctor Who, then display All, then sort by Release Order and the Releases 50 and earlier are all on sale, just look for the McGann ones
In the back of my mind, the BBC may have just either knowingly or unknowingly given themselves a NuWho 'Mini-Series' or slate of 'Prequel Specials' featuring the 8th Doctor, Mr. Paul McGann...
Would that be too wonky for some people to see concurrent or interspersed series featuring both the 8th & 12th Doctors?
I for one would watch both and not bat an eye at all.
Plus the questions of The Valeyard, The Watcher, The Dream Lord seem to have suddenly and finally answered themselves. They're not incarnations of the Doctor, they're Aspects of the Man who chooses to be The Doctor more times than not.
Would that be too wonky for some people to see concurrent or interspersed series featuring both the 8th & 12th Doctors?
I for one would watch both and not bat an eye at all.
Plus the questions of The Valeyard, The Watcher, The Dream Lord seem to have suddenly and finally answered themselves. They're not incarnations of the Doctor, they're Aspects of the Man who chooses to be The Doctor more times than not.
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