Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1st

[BillJ]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

I'm a 22 year old who has never had a job.

Why haven't you had a job? I probably was on my fifth job by that age.

My parents don't require me to get one, and its not something I'd ever want to do, even though I know its eventually going to happen. Why would I want a job if I don't have to have one? as I said above, the benefits of having a job don't equal the negatives, its not even close.

How about so you're not a burden on your parents? Perhaps help them out?

You need to grow up.

 

[kirk55555]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

My parents don't require me to get one, and its not something I'd ever want to do, even though I know its eventually going to happen.

My parents did not require I get a job either. But if I wanted anything paying for it seemed a better option than stealing it or demanding that my parents supply me with it. They had enough to spend on their mortgage, utilities, the food we ate and the clothes on my back.

Why would I want a job if I don't have to have one? as I said above, the benefits of having a job don't equal the negatives, its not even close.

How about to have experience and a job history so that you will actually be able to be hired when you do need to find a job? Then there is also the joy of having accomplished something.

I get no joy from working.

Also, I'll never have a job outside of minimum wage work at a fast food place or (maybe if I'm really lucky) a grocery store. I'm a high school graduate with no real skills outside of just things anyone can do. No job Ill ever get is going to require having much work experience.

Kirk, having a job may not be great, but you work to live; you don't live to work. It's good when you have a job you love, but sometimes, you just work so you have necessities. That's what my brother does; he works to live.
ETA: Your parents dying may be longer than you think in happening.

My mom's 50, my Dad's 56. They're not in great health, but my dad's work injuries weren't something that take years off your life, and neither of them have ever had big medical problems. They're going to be around awhile. Thats what I meant when I posted. I have no desire at all to live on my own, and I almost certainly won't have to for a long time.

Getting a job at 40 is going to be hard to do with no prior work history.

Again, my only possible jobs are fast food or other minimum wage jobs that don't require experience anyway. My chances of getting a job (good or bad) will probably be the same at 40 as it was at 22.

 

[BillJ]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

And the "I'm only a high-school graduate so I can only get bad jobs" is a bullshit copout.

I started at a bank in my area with just a high-school diploma and was making $40,000 a year when I left due to health issues.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

All I can say is that I'm in a weird position. I'm a 22 year old who has never had a job. My parents don't have, and won't get insurance (my mom works minimum wage and my dad gets money from the state because of work related injuries, although he's eventually going to be able to get a job again). We're definately a low income family (we get some state benefits like food assistance). Since I doubt I'll get a job between now and January, its going to be really interesting to see if they can fine someone with no income (and has never had income, so has never done taxes). Actually, knowing this country I'll probably end up in debtor's prison for the crime of not being able to pay what is essentially a tax on living

I personally support anything the republicans can do about this. It's funny, because I'm mostly moderate with stuff. I go with Democrats when it comes to things like people's rights to marry whoever, etc, and I hate a lot of the republican BS spouted by people and channels like fox news. But economically I hate Democrats and especially Obamacare (and yes, I'm aware my family's state assistance is because I live in a democrat dominated state, they do a few good things but I still mostly hate democrats economic ideas, especially Obamacare). I hope the republicans find a way to do something about Obamacare, or I'm screwed. Obamacare literally keeps me up at night. Nothing like a looming deadline for something you can't avoid or afford to give you tons of stress.

Well, I'm not going to sign up for anything by myself, so no Medicaid (assuming I'd qualify for it, even with no income in a low income family I'm sure I'd be screwed somehow). As for the penalty, if all it does is take money from your tax rebate (and not literally charge you the fee every year) then I could rest easier. No taxes=no tax rebate anyway, and even if I waited for years without healthcare and then got a job, all it would mean is that I wouldn't get money in a rebate for awhile. Assuming it doesn't just compound and eventually overrun your rebate and make you pay extra taxes, then it would make my life difficult whenever I happened to get a job. I guess all I can do is wait, hope the Republicans win and if not then hope I don't get too screwed over by Obamacare.

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I am in no hurry to get a job. My family is fairly low income, but we're secure enough that we're not going to go without food, shelter, electricty etc with what my parents already make. I'm sure I'll have to get a job eventually, but I have no desire to get a job and will do everything not to get one for as long as possible. Getting a job only adds bad things to your life as far as I can see, with the benefit of having money being far outweighed by the negatives.

My parents don't require me to get one, and its not something I'd ever want to do, even though I know its eventually going to happen. Why would I want a job if I don't have to have one? as I said above, the benefits of having a job don't equal the negatives, its not even close.

I might start to take the complaints about Obamacare seriously if they didn't almost universally come from people who behave like selfish, spoiled, ungrateful man-children.

People like this are the rare stereotype guys like Yanks holds up of the freeloaders who want more more more from the government to do nothing, and then at the same time you turn around and bite the hand that feeds you. So congratulations on perpetuating the stereotype of the greedy, entitlement loving 47% that the Republicans get so much mileage out of despite it being an outlier and not the norm.

"Actually, knowing this country..." You mean the country that provides you with food, a roof over your head, and security despite you gleefully making no effort to give anything back if your story is to be believed, and then supporting efforts to deny basic care to others in need when they're actually willing to work hard for a living? Yeah, how horrible for you to have to live under those awful conditions.

I'd say I'm sorry for being so blunt, but I'm not, because your attitude disgusts me, and unfairly casts the rest of the poor who are actually struggling to get by and working multiple jobs to do so in a bad light.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

All I can say to kirk55555 is: good luck with that.

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

I've nothing beyond a high school education either but I make far more than minimum wage, have a full-time job, and am in management. I also live comfortably on my own and am not a burden on my retired parents living on a limited income.

Be an adult and get a job. I'm not sure what "drawbacks" you think that there are other than having to do something for someone else and being "on the grid", I guess as far as the government is concerned. But at the very least you'd be less of a burden on your financially strapped parents and if you do not wish to live on your own you can help them run the home and maybe even getting into a better living environment.

But to not get a job just because "I don't wanna," well, that's the sort of thing that gives the various social safety nets we have a bad rep. They should be there for people who are unable to work for various reasons. Not for people who just decide they don't want to work and still live off the government teat.

And, yeah, I'd say if you're middle aged and getting your first job, ever, you're less employable than a teenager or young person getting THEIR first job. If I'm looking at two applicants and one is a 20-something "kid" getting their first job just now out of school and can't get into their field or need to be a bread winner for their parents they look better than a middle-aged man getting his first job.

The former I go, "Well, he's a kid there could be potential here. Nothing here worries me." The guy I go, "Okay, what's this guy been doing with the last 20 years of his life that he's just NOW getting a job?! Is he going to be able to take orders? Deal with my decisions and scheduling? Is he even going to be able to learn procedure?"

 

[kirk55555]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

I might start to take the complaints about Obamacare seriously if they didn't almost universally come from people who behave like selfish, spoiled, ungrateful man-children.

People like this are the rare stereotype guys like Yanks holds up of the freeloaders who want more more more from the government to do nothing, and then at the same time you turn around and bite the hand that feeds you. So congratulations on perpetuating the stereotype of the greedy, entitlement loving 47% that the Republicans get so much mileage out of despite it being an outlier and not the norm.

"Actually, knowing this country..." You mean the country that provides you with food, a roof over your head, and security despite you gleefully making no effort to give anything back if your story is to be believed, and then supporting efforts to deny basic care to others in need when they're actually willing to work hard for a living? Yeah, how horrible for you to have to live under those awful conditions.

I'd say I'm sorry for being so blunt, but I'm not, because your attitude disgusts me, and unfairly casts the rest of the poor who are actually struggling to get by and working multiple jobs to do so in a bad light.

Well, considering its my family that gets benefits (I get none personally) I don't want anything more from the government because all I get is just the result of living with my family, and I've never asked for more. I just don't want to Obamacare mandate. I'm sure there are parts of it that are helpful to people, its just nothing but bad for me.

Also, I couldn't care less that I "disgust" you. Anyone who goes around calling people man-children and rant about how I'm "spoiled, selfish and greedy" are just too melodramatic for me to take seriously.

 

[BillJ]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

I'm actually mad at your parents who haven't kicked your lazy ass out.

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

I just don't want to Obamacare mandate. I'm sure there are parts of it that are helpful to people, its just nothing but bad for me.

So you admit that there are parts of it that are helpful to people but since you don't think it'll work for YOU you want it to be gone.

Nice.

 

[BillJ]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

I just don't want to Obamacare mandate. I'm sure there are parts of it that are helpful to people, its just nothing but bad for me.

So you admit that there are parts of it that are helpful to people but since you don't think it'll work for YOU you want it to be gone.

Nice.

What exactly do you expect from someone who admits to mooching off of their parents?

 

[Davros]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Well, considering its my family that gets benefits (I get none personally) I don't want anything more from the government because all I get is just the result of living with my family, and I've never asked for more.

Count yourself lucky you get what you do. If you keep voting for Republicans you will likely lose it.

I just don't want to Obamacare mandate.

Then you are just S.O.L. then because you have it and it's constitutional.

I'm sure there are parts of it that are helpful to people, its just nothing but bad for me.

What is bad in it for you? Taking responsibility for yourself?

Also, I couldn't care less that I "disgust" you. Anyone who goes around calling people man-children and rant about how I'm "spoiled, selfish and greedy" are just too melodramatic for me to take seriously.

Just don't expect any sympathy from us when you make complaining posts.

 

[kirk55555]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

I've nothing beyond a high school education either but I make far more than minimum wage, have a full-time job, and am in management. I also live comfortably on my own and am not a burden on my retired parents living on a limited income.

Be an adult and get a job. I'm not sure what "drawbacks" you think that there are other than having to do something for someone else and being "on the grid", I guess as far as the government is concerned. But at the very least you'd be less of a burden on your financially strapped parents and if you do not wish to live on your own you can help them run the home and maybe even getting into a better living environment.

But to not get a job just because "I don't wanna," well, that's the sort of thing that gives the various social safety nets we have a bad rep. They should be there for people who are unable to work for various reasons. Not for people who just decide they don't want to work and still live off the government teat.

And, yeah, I'd say if you're middle aged and getting your first job, ever, you're less employable than a teenager or young person getting THEIR first job. If I'm looking at two applicants and one is a 20-something "kid" getting their first job just now out of school and can't get into their field or need to be a bread winner for their parents they look better than a middle-aged man getting his first job.

The former I go, "Well, he's a kid there could be potential here. Nothing here worries me." The guy I go, "Okay, what's this guy been doing with the last 20 years of his life that he's just NOW getting a job?! Is he going to be able to take orders? Deal with my decisions and scheduling? Is he even going to be able to learn procedure?"

The drawbacks would be taxes (my most dreaded thing about having a job, a bunch of indecipherable math and record keeping that if you get wrong means the government does bad things to you), all the various things you have to do/pay for once you get a job, especially if you have to live on your own, which is just too horrible for me to even think of from a personal perspective, the work itself. Whenever I get a job, it will just be the start of a horrible life working hard for a small amount of money that will most likely barely cover whatever expenses I'm forced to pay. Making money is far from enough incentive for me to want to start what is going to be probably 40+ years of nothing but drudgery. In a very real way its the beginning of the end of my life. Once it starts, my life will be nothing but horrible, so I'd prefer to delay it as long as possible.

I just don't want to Obamacare mandate. I'm sure there are parts of it that are helpful to people, its just nothing but bad for me.

So you admit that there are parts of it that are helpful to people but since you don't think it'll work for YOU you want it to be gone.

Nice.

Why shouldn't I want something that will hurt me gone? All I know about Obamacare is that it will penalize me for not having money. I don't know if the other parts help people, but the mandate alone makes it something I don't want. We've been doing just fine without it so far, so its only going to cause me pain and not give me a benefit.

 

[Davros]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

I get no joy from working.

Neither do I. What I do get joy from is a sense of having accoplished something.

Also, I'll never have a job outside of minimum wage work at a fast food place or (maybe if I'm really lucky) a grocery store.

Only if you insist on that.

I'm a high school graduate with no real skills outside of just things anyone can do. No job Ill ever get is going to require having much work experience.

Getting a job is a sure way to gain said experience. That's how I did it. Now I get paid the listen to music and surf the internet.

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

The drawbacks would be taxes (my most dreaded thing about having a job, a bunch of indecipherable math and record keeping that if you get wrong means the government does bad things to you),

If you got a job you'd be short-form with a standard deduction. It's very, very easy taxes to fill out that you can do yourself on-line and more-than-likely will get you a return if you don't claim any dependents.

...all the various things you have to do/pay for once you get a job, especially if you have to live on your own, which is just too horrible for me to even think of from a personal perspective, the work itself.

The only "various things" you have to pay for when you have a job are work clothes and transportation. If you don't want to live on your own that's your choice and fine.

Whenever I get a job, it will just be the start of a horrible life working hard for a small amount of money that will most likely barely cover whatever expenses I'm forced to pay. Making money is far from enough incentive for me to want to start what is going to be probably 40+ years of nothing but drudgery. In a very real way its the beginning of the end of my life. Once it starts, my life will be nothing but horrible, so I'd prefer to delay it as long as possible.

Tough, welcome to the real world and what people have had to deal with since the birth of civilization. With a job you'd have MORE of a life since you'd have money to buy and do things with. Rather than whatever it is you're doing now.

Why shouldn't I want something that will hurt me gone? All I know about Obamacare is that it will penalize me for not having money. I don't know if the other parts help people, but the mandate alone makes it something I don't want. We've been doing just fine without it so far, so its only going to cause me pain and not give me a benefit.

If you have no income then you're not going to be penalized, there's concessions for such people (there aren't millions of homeless people shuffling around the streets that the government is going to try and get money from) and there's Medicaid. And we've not been doing "just fine" without it so far, that's the whole point of it needing to be put in place! People go bankrupt from medical bills when they don't have insurance. And THAT's the benefit for you that if you get sick or injured there's a system in place (medical insurance) to make sure the bills are payed and to give you better avenues for advanced care.

 

[Davros]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Why shouldn't I want something that will hurt me gone?

You have yet to demonstrate any harm you would suffer.

All I know about Obamacare is that it will penalize me for not having money.

If you have no money you qualify for medicaid and will face no penalty.

I don't know if the other parts help people, but the mandate alone makes it something I don't want.

Personally I would have rather had single payer or a public option, but the mandate is what we have. It's law, it's constitutional, and it isn't going away anytime soon.

We've been doing just fine without it so far, so its only going to cause me pain and not give me a benefit.

Still waiting for any evidence of this pain and not understanding how access to health care isn't a benefit.

 

[kirk55555]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

I get no joy from working.

Neither do I. What I do get joy from is a sense of having accoplished something.

Also, I'll never have a job outside of minimum wage work at a fast food place or (maybe if I'm really lucky) a grocery store.

Only if you insist on that.

I'm a high school graduate with no real skills outside of just things anyone can do. No job Ill ever get is going to require having much work experience.

Getting a job is a sure way to gain said experience. That's how I did it. Now I get paid the listen to music and surf the internet.

I don't consider working to be accomplishing anything than just paying the next bill you have or making sure you have basic human needs. not exactly a goal I'm looking forward to.

As for the job, I will never have anything higher than the average minimum wage stuff. Unskilled workers don't get good jobs. They get jobs at McDonald's or (if you're lucky) Safeway or Wal-Mart. Thats all I have to look forward to, and I'm in no rush to get to it.

I'm sure there are parts of it that are helpful to people, its just nothing but bad for me.

What is bad in it for you?

Also, I couldn't care less that I "disgust" you. Anyone who goes around calling people man-children and rant about how I'm "spoiled, selfish and greedy" are just too melodramatic for me to take seriously.

Just don't expect any sympathy from us when you make complaining posts.

I'm not looking for sympathy. I was just posting about the topic, and how much I hate it.


As I've said, whats bad about it for me is getting taxed for doing nothing more than living and getting no benefit from it. It's like if I suddenly had to get car insurance even though I've never learned how to drive, and so obviously don't have a car.

The drawbacks would be taxes (my most dreaded thing about having a job, a bunch of indecipherable math and record keeping that if you get wrong means the government does bad things to you),

If you got a job you'd be short-form with a standard deduction. It's very, very easy taxes to fill out that you can do yourself on-line and more-than-likely will get you a return if you don't claim any dependents.

...all the various things you have to do/pay for once you get a job, especially if you have to live on your own, which is just too horrible for me to even think of from a personal perspective, the work itself.

The only "various things" you have to pay for when you have a job are work clothes and transportation. If you don't want to live on your own that's your choice and fine.

Whenever I get a job, it will just be the start of a horrible life working hard for a small amount of money that will most likely barely cover whatever expenses I'm forced to pay. Making money is far from enough incentive for me to want to start what is going to be probably 40+ years of nothing but drudgery. In a very real way its the beginning of the end of my life. Once it starts, my life will be nothing but horrible, so I'd prefer to delay it as long as possible.

Tough, welcome to the real world and what people have had to deal with since the birth of civilization. With a job you'd have MORE of a life since you'd have money to buy and do things with. Rather than whatever it is you're doing now.

I know its "the real world" and that I'll have to get a job eventually. I also know that I'll die someday, but that doesn't mean I'm going to jump off of a cliff.

 

[BillJ]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Essentially, "I don't like Obamacare because I think it's going to make me get a job and quit mooching off of my parents".

How exactly do you plan on paying for the expense if you have a major medical problem?

I'd be furious if one of my kids tried pulling what you're pulling.

 

[kirk55555]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Why shouldn't I want something that will hurt me gone?

You have yet to demonstrate any harm you would suffer.

All I know about Obamacare is that it will penalize me for not having money.

If you have no money you qualify for medicaid and will face no penalty.

I don't know if the other parts help people, but the mandate alone makes it something I don't want.

Personally I would have rather had single payer or a public option, but the mandate is what we have. It's law, it's constitutional, and it isn't going away anytime soon.

We've been doing just fine without it so far, so its only going to cause me pain and not give me a benefit.

Still waiting for any evidence of this pain and not understanding how access to health care isn't a benefit.

It will hurt me because I will get a monetary penalty for not having health insurance. Thats fairly painful. I'm sure Obamacare is going to screw me over badly. If my life isn't getting destroyed by the government with penalties in 5 years I'll consider myself lucky, and I don't think my luck is that good.

Also, Obama won't be president forever, and there will someday be a Republican president (or republican dominated congress) again. Laws can be changed, and Obamacare, regardless of its constitutionality, can be repealed.

Essentially, "I don't like Obamacare because I think it's going to make me get a job and quit mooching off of my parents".

How exactly do you plan on paying for the expense if you have a major medical problem?

I've never had a bmajor medical problem (I haven't seen a doctor since I was ten or eleven). The chances that I do are not something that worries me. If I do, I'll be too screwed anyway to worry about how badly I'll be ruined from a money standpoint if I don't have insurance.

 

[Davros]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

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[Trekker4747]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

As for the job, I will never have anything higher than the average minimum wage stuff. Unskilled workers don't get good jobs. They get jobs at McDonald's or (if you're lucky) Safeway or Wal-Mart. Thats all I have to look forward to, and I'm in no rush to get to it.

With that sort of attitude you're probably not far off. Not because that's how it is but because people unmotivated to work don't stand out and don't get advanced. Go in, start at minimum wage, work your ass off, impress the boss and get a raise. Continue to impress, get full-time coming with it a large raise and benefits.

Good grief, this is how society has operated for eons and it's literally what EVERYONE does. Do you think I want to do it? Do you think I want to wake up at 5AM every day and go to work for nine hours? I'd much rather sit at home and do nothing. But I also want to have possessions, personal freedom and privacy and respect for myself. So I have a job and live on my own. Yeah bills suck, but at the end of the bills I've got plenty of money left over to spend for entertainment and enjoyment. I'm not working "just to live" I'm working to live and to LIVE. I took a trip to Nashville this summer to see a live-show of the Rifftrax crew. Awesome, great, time that cost me somewhere around $600 between airfare, hotel, rental car and other expenses. Not something one can do without an income.

I've never had a bmajor medical problem ....

Same for me! Went my whole life without any major medical problems until I got to 32 and started having mild seizures and brain tumor was found in me. Luckily I had insurance that covered the tests and biopsy that would've cost 10s of 1000s of dollars to do had I not had insurance. And when I elect to have the surgery to remove the non-cancerous growth I'll have insurance to cover THAT insanely expensive procedure. Just because you've "never been sick" doesn't mean you never will get sick or that nothing will ever happen. You could slip on some ice this winter and break your arm. That alone can cost 1000s of dollars to fix.