Phase II - Act One of "KITUMBA"

[USS Intrepid]

You don't participate in forum boards because people ask questions? Or is it just because people ask questions you guys can't/won't/or don't want to answer?

Respectfully, that was unfair and uncalled for.

And for the record, I'm with James on this. The level of snark and unnecessary vitriol from various corners is really tiring.

I'm not pointing a finger at any one person on this, your post just caught my attention, but really sometimes folks need to let things go and step away from the keyboard.

 

[E-DUB]

Amen, USS Intrepid. The competitive urination has gotten way out of hand. Just make good product and let us judge, cause that's what it's all about. Well that or the hokey-pokey I'm really not sure.

 

[doubleohfive]

You don't participate in forum boards because people ask questions? Or is it just because people ask questions you guys can't/won't/or don't want to answer?

Respectfully, that was unfair and uncalled for.

And for the record, I'm with James on this. The level of snark and unnecessary vitriol from various corners is really tiring.

You are of course absolutely right. I would certainly like to apologize for that little barb as it was wholly unnecessary and the result of my own inability at times to self-edit as I write. To James, and to all of you - I sincerely offer my genuine apology.

I'm not pointing a finger at any one person on this, your post just caught my attention, but really sometimes folks need to let things go and step away from the keyboard.

Again, agreed whole-heartedly.

I do however stand by my initial question and my stance that had a simple answer been provided rather than the usual deflection, blame, and parlor tricks of online interaction, a lot of the drama of these last few pages likely would have been avoided.

But, as the question's been answered it's neither her nor there. I am going to really try to be less abrasive in the future though because clearly I'm just as much a part of the problem.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

As to the question about Sol 7 and the edit of Kitumba. I was fortunate to be introduced to Mark Lewis by Richard Hatch. Mark is a composer, editor, sound editor and all around post production guru. He serves as Post Production Supervisor on Axanar and has graciously volunteered to edit Phase II.

Wow, that's great! Thanks for sharing that info.

Wait'll you see some of my latest matte shots for Kitumba.

You'll just DIE!

I'm going to hold you to that. I just finished watching your "Cookin' With Gas" Star Trek fan film for the fifth time and it's still not stale. I loved living in the Star Trek universe you created in that short film, if only for a few minutes. And the little surprise extra after the end credits? OH CRAP!

 

[USS Intrepid]

Its cool doubleohfive, but I can totally understand why James is fed up with it, and why people sometimes get a little hot under the collar. Heck, I've been there myself, and it really is incredibly frustrating.

Guess that's just the internet for you.

 

[TrekGirl]

..and he owes us absolutely no explanation...

No they don't.

They. Owe. No. One. Anything.

Okay...about to be unladylike for just a min....

I feel that all fan production producers/actors show tremendous restraint on these type of forums. Like I've said before, were it I, doing something I enjoyed doing as a hobby…would SURE AS HELL do it EXACTLY the way I wanted it to be done and I'd stay a million miles from ANY online forum because I’d end up stooping right down to their level and telling every one of those passive aggressive, stick up their ass, arm chair quarterbacks to go f**k themselves and the horse they rode in on. And if they could get up off of their big, pimpled asses for just a sec, they could stick their ''constructive" criticism in there as well. People are CONSTANTLY begging them to hurry up and put more episodes out...why the hell should they be in a HURRY?!?!...so a bunch of know-it-all-and-the-price-of-it blowhards can tell them what is wrong with the lighting, sound, acting, hair color, uniform color, the color/pattern of the blinking lights, the music, the effects, the editing, the size/shape/placement of lint on McCoy's friggin’ smock? Gee, I wonder why they'd be reluctant to release anything until they had pored over every single goddamned frame of the thing 1,000 times so they might, JUST MIGHT circumvent SOME of the whining and nitpicking wannabe’s, who don’t have the gumption to actually do this themselves, but have all the energy in the world to ENDLESSLY pick it the f**k apart. I will repeat something that has been said innumerable times on these forums - Don’t like it? Don’t watch it. And then, take a deep breath, step away from your computer (i.e. social life)…go outside and look at flowers or some shit. Life is short.

 

[TrekGirl]

Oh and another thing...I'd credit or not credit whoever the hell I wanted, in any way shape or form I wanted. I'd credit Rudolph the mother f*****g Reindeer if I wanted to.

Okay that is all. I think.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

I wish there was a "Like" button on this forum, because I'd punch the hell out of it on post #146. Well said.

 

[doubleohfive]

Gonna go ahead and deduce that this is at least in part directed toward me.

..and he owes us absolutely no explanation...

No they don't.

They. Owe. No. One. Anything.

I never said they did. In fact, I'm one of the biggest supporters of this very idea when it comes to the fan films, most notably in the case of Starship Exeter whenever someone gets it in their heads to kvetch about how long it's taking them to finish "The Tressaurian Intersection."

That being said, I asked a simple question that could have easily been addressed but was instead blown WAY out of proportion by both sides.

Okay...about to be unladylike for just a min....

I feel that all fan production producers/actors show tremendous restraint on these type of forums. Like I've said before, were it I, doing something I enjoyed doing as a hobby…

And herein lies the rub. This is all a hobby. These productions - amazing though they may be - are hobbies. They are passion projects, vanity pieces, done for fun by the people who make them. And that's wonderful. It really is. Again, huge supporter of that.

Where the problem started for me here was that the work was not being properly credited and that the production was talking a big game about being as "professional" as possible.

I work in Hollywood on television shows and films. I'm well-versed in what constitutes "professional" behavior and "professional" content. To not credit Vic for having directed the episode that Phase II is now in the midst of releasing was intellectually dishonest to me and I didn't want to believe that they would try to stoop to that level, which is why I asked my question of them. I don't believe I'm entitled to anything. They could have easily given a hundred different answers that could have been fine but they skirted the issue all while talking about how "professional" they were going to be.

The word for that is hypocrisy.

If they were actually professionals about it, they would have realized that yeah, it sucks what went down with Vic but he did do the work that Phase II is benefiting from, so they should still credit him.
It just boggles my mind how blindingly obvious this is.

Then again, nobody in fan films seem to understand how credits and titles actually work, so it's not altogether surprising. But the point I'm making is they should have known better. If Vic is badmouthing Phase II to other productions and personnel, that's a whole other ball of wax. The issue I was raising was that a guy did some work for them and now they weren't going to credit him even though he did the work and they were using it.

Oh and another thing...I'd credit or not credit whoever the hell I wanted, in any way shape or form I wanted. I'd credit Rudolph the mother f*****g Reindeer if I wanted to.

Good for you! The problem though then becomes "How do we take you seriously as a professional production if you don't credit the people who do the work for you?"

Its cool doubleohfive, but I can totally understand why James is fed up with it, and why people sometimes get a little hot under the collar. Heck, I've been there myself, and it really is incredibly frustrating.

Guess that's just the internet for you.

I don't blame James for being fed up with the vitriol and hate. What I don't care for is the legitimate questions being ignored or dismissed as part of same and that's the feeling I got from both Alec and David previously. I don't doubt though that it can be quite taxing and unfair no matter the original intention.

 

[Barbreader]

..and he owes us absolutely no explanation...

No they don't.

They. Owe. No. One. Anything.

Okay...about to be unladylike for just a min....

I feel that all fan production producers/actors show tremendous restraint on these type of forums. Like I've said before, were it I, doing something I enjoyed doing as a hobby…would SURE AS HELL do it EXACTLY the way I wanted it to be done and I'd stay a million miles from ANY online forum because I’d end up stooping right down to their level and telling every one of those passive aggressive, stick up their ass, arm chair quarterbacks to go f**k themselves and the horse they rode in on. And if they could get up off of their big, pimpled asses for just a sec, they could stick their ''constructive" criticism in there as well. People are CONSTANTLY begging them to hurry up and put more episodes out...why the hell should they be in a HURRY?!?!...so a bunch of know-it-all-and-the-price-of-it blowhards can tell them what is wrong with the lighting, sound, acting, hair color, uniform color, the color/pattern of the blinking lights, the music, the effects, the editing, the size/shape/placement of lint on McCoy's friggin’ smock? Gee, I wonder why they'd be reluctant to release anything until they had pored over every single goddamned frame of the thing 1,000 times so they might, JUST MIGHT circumvent SOME of the whining and nitpicking wannabe’s, who don’t have the gumption to actually do this themselves, but have all the energy in the world to ENDLESSLY pick it the f**k apart. I will repeat something that has been said innumerable times on these forums - Don’t like it? Don’t watch it. And then, take a deep breath, step away from your computer (i.e. social life)…go outside and look at flowers or some shit. Life is short.

OK, I couldn't resist.... there is no good reason to demand ANY particular fan film group hurry up because you want more. THERE IS MORE!! There are many, many groups! Drop by Star Trek Reviewed and try a dozen... or a score! http://startrekreviewed.blogspot.com/

 

[Indysolo]

...Vic's name actually is placed in the first card at the end credits for Director...

Just as season 1 did it!

 

[TrekGirl]

I wish there was a "Like" button on this forum, because I'd punch the hell out of it on post #146. Well said.

Thank you Professor!

Oh and another thing...I'd credit or not credit whoever the hell I wanted, in any way shape or form I wanted. I'd credit Rudolph the mother f*****g Reindeer if I wanted to.

Good for you! The problem though then becomes "How do we take you seriously as a professional production if you don't credit the people who do the work for you?"

That is not a problem because believe me if I was making it, it definitely would NOT be a professional production, lol

 

[Jptrekker]

Wait'll you see some of my latest matte shots for Kitumba.

You'll just DIE!

I'm going to hold you to that. I just finished watching your "Cookin' With Gas" Star Trek fan film for the fifth time and it's still not stale. I loved living in the Star Trek universe you created in that short film, if only for a few minutes. And the little surprise extra after the end credits? OH CRAP!

Agreed, that and 1701 Pennsylvania Ave are very well done, and very funny as well. Thanks Pony!

 

[PonyHorton]

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[DCR]

Thanks for sharing, Pony.

Really enjoying your work on Kitumba.

 

[Shane Houston]

I have been pretty quiet about the turmoils of P2 as you have (or have NOT) seen.

But here's what I do have to say:...

In 2006 I was dying of AIDS. The docs gave me three months unless I got on the cocktail, which I did. The drugs helped my body, but honestly, at that point in my life, I felt I had little left to give and nothing to look forward to. By 2007, the camper I was living in, on the streets, caught fire, burning me badly and killing my dog and two cats. Suddenly I was, LITERALLY, on the streets....

My friend Ed allowed me to stay in his converted garage while I got my life sorted out.

It was then I discovered STAR TREK NEW VOYAGES during a web search for something else.

I watched the first two episodes, and was hooked. I saw the talent, raw though it was, and I wanted to help somehow. When they put out a call for recruitment on BAF, I sent them a Transporter test, and they snapped me up!

To date I have become one of two VFX Supervisors on the show, Tobias Richter being the other. Suddenly, I'm swamped with TREK work, and by now I've created DOZENS, if not more, shots for P2, and even found myself in front of the camera as an actor!

James and everyone else at P2 have become such good friends, I can't imagine life without them now! And my association with P2 has brought me into the realms of David Gerrold, Doug Drexler, Mike Okuda, and many others form the TV shows. I've even done the occasional payed job because of my P2 effects! David has personally asked me to do work for him on his P2 efforts!!!

All because of this web series, STAR TREK PHASE 2. Something we do for fun.

But P2 is, literally, the only reason I'm alive today. AIDS can bring you down hard and fast. AIDS combined with tuberculosis, pnuemonia, and a lot of pain, is a seriously deadly combination.

Had it not been for P2, for James, and the other folks there who have given me such love and support, I would simply not be here today.

So, if somebody out there goes on a bitch-rant against P2, of James, or any of us, remember my friends... your show saved a life. Mine. And because of you, I have a LOT more to give!

My deepest thanks. I'll try to earn it!

Pony Horton

Thanks for sharing this.

 

[Barbreader]

He who saves a single life, saves the world.

 

[scifib5st]

I have been pretty quiet about the turmoils of P2 as you have (or have NOT) seen.

But here's what I do have to say:...

In 2006 I was dying of AIDS. The docs gave me three months unless I got on the cocktail, which I did. The drugs helped my body, but honestly, at that point in my life, I felt I had little left to give and nothing to look forward to. By 2007, the camper I was living in, on the streets, caught fire, burning me badly and killing my dog and two cats. Suddenly I was, LITERALLY, on the streets....

My friend Ed allowed me to stay in his converted garage while I got my life sorted out.

It was then I discovered STAR TREK NEW VOYAGES during a web search for something else.

I watched the first two episodes, and was hooked. I saw the talent, raw though it was, and I wanted to help somehow. When they put out a call for recruitment on BAF, I sent them a Transporter test, and they snapped me up!

To date I have become one of two VFX Supervisors on the show, Tobias Richter being the other. Suddenly, I'm swamped with TREK work, and by now I've created DOZENS, if not more, shots for P2, and even found myself in front of the camera as an actor!

James and everyone else at P2 have become such good friends, I can't imagine life without them now! And my association with P2 has brought me into the realms of David Gerrold, Doug Drexler, Mike Okuda, and many others form the TV shows. I've even done the occasional payed job because of my P2 effects! David has personally asked me to do work for him on his P2 efforts!!!

All because of this web series, STAR TREK PHASE 2. Something we do for fun.

But P2 is, literally, the only reason I'm alive today. AIDS can bring you down hard and fast. AIDS combined with tuberculosis, pnuemonia, and a lot of pain, is a seriously deadly combination.

Had it not been for P2, for James, and the other folks there who have given me such love and support, I would simply not be here today.

So, if somebody out there goes on a bitch-rant against P2, of James, or any of us, remember my friends... your show saved a life. Mine. And because of you, I have a LOT more to give!

My deepest thanks. I'll try to earn it!

Pony Horton

Thanks for sharing this.

Gee, I missed this, Thanks for posting this.
Thanks Pony for this insight.... I never knew....
And Pony I love your work and acting as a

Pony, can the cast sell autographed "Cast" photos???