Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1st

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

As has been mentioned. It's only $95 this year, and it will increase quickly.

In addition to the cost factors mentioned by others, if you're sick and it goes untreated, then there's a greater possibility of me catching your illness. That's your health care choice affecting me.

Additionally, sick workers are less productive workers. A less productive workforce means businesses won't do as well, and the government won't collect as many taxes. Again, that's your choice having an impact on all of us.

Stop, you're turning me on.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Bingo! I'm tired of people saying "I don't need insurance." Yes, you do. You might not need it right now, but you're almost certain to need it eventually, and what are you going to do then? You're uninsured and now you've racked up thousands of dollars in bills--maybe more. Are you ever going to pay it? Probably not. That means everyone else has to. So, you know, thanks for that.

That's what the penalty is for, to defray the costs of free riders.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

^However for some it is a hard concept to grasp. You buy insurance incase of the day you need it. That's why it's called insurance. Take car insurance for example, most peoples premiums are higher in the UK it adds around £33 to premiums

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...tougher-punishment-for-uninsured-drivers.html

Now £33 is not even enough for a full tank of petrol these days, but it's £33 that should be in my pocket.

As for countries which have Universal Health Care, everyone pays into the pot i.e. via general taxation. Yes you might not need it today, but similar to insurance it's there when you do need it.

 

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That's why there are fines for opting out, which get worse every year you do it. Because when you opt out, and then get hit by a bus, you (for some reason) still expect 911 to send an ambulance, and for the doctors to try and save your mooching life. And you don't have any intention (or ability, really, given how stupid the costs are) of paying for THAT, either. And it's hardly fair for me to have to pay my insurance and then cover YOU as well because you decided to pass, but still want the benefits.

Needs to be that understanding that if you opt out, you're REALLY opting out. And then you can choose either side. But don't call for help or show up in a hospital without a sack of cash to pay in full, upfront.

Or just contribute to society like everyone else?

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Right, and opting out is unworkable because there's just no way someone's going to dial 911 and then have the ambulance show up and check you for your "member of society in good standing card."

"Oop, this guy doesn't have the card. Guess he's not insured. We'll just leave him here to bleed out."

It's just not going to work that way, nor should it. You don't get to opt out of society. So, you're going to pay the admission fee, one way or another.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Sorry, foreign devil here, about to ask a possibly stupid question.

So, people are worried they are going to pay more individual tax to cover this new healthcare scheme, right? And they'll be covered by it, yes? And their employer will not have to pay their health care any more, okay? And if the employer then gave that money to the employee as part of their wage package, then the employer doesn't gain or lose, the employee doesn't gain or lose, and a large pool of money is created to help EVERYONE. True? or am I missing something? At this point the only people missing out are Big Medicine types.

Now, some say, "ooo, I don't want the gubmint probing into my life an knowing so much about meeeee!" Wake up and smell the coffee - they already know fucktons (or if you're metric, fucktonnes) about you, and can find out ANYTHING ANYTIME they want! (note: where is your concern about the survelliance started under Bush?) You may be worried someone will find about that embarrassing itch or the wound obtained illegally, but I'm pretty sure someone already knows - we don't keep paper records any more.

Now... give me a reason why that wouldn't work. I'm quite willing to believe there is one, but I want it explained concisely.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Not exactly. The law says you must purchase health insurance, one way or another. That means through your employer, through one of the new exchanges, or from a private insurer--it's up to you. If you don't, you have to pay a tax penalty, but you are not covered in this instance. The penalty is meant to make up for the fact that you aren't contributing to the insurance market.

Big Medicine doesn't lose out at all, though.

I don't think people have too much to fear with their medical information being abused. The HIPAA and HITECH laws offer considerable protections and substantial penalties.

"Work" is in the eye of the beholder. The goal is to make insurance more affordable and accessible, which I believe it is accomplishing. Long-term, the stronger focus on preventive care and chronic disease management should help reduce costs, although additional legislation is probably needed to control costs more generally, because there is no price transparency for medical services today, and if I explained to you how insurance billing works you'd probably cry yourself to sleep.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

I plan on checking it out. I've been to the sign up site, but it's so busy today I can't even set up an account. I think I'll wait a couple of weeks.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Yeah, the federal site is having some opening-day glitches. Shocker. Seems the first live day of any major online project can never go smoothly.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

On the rollout? Probably not. Obamacare (and it's rollout) were already funded.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

You cannot compare smaller populations and economies to the 300,000,000 living in US.

I realize this board is extremely liberal, but this idea of entitlements and everyone should have equal healthcare is a poor model for US economy.


It will drastically reduce the quality of healthcare in the US. It will be a huge hindrance on this country's economy. Slowly the US is not becoming the best place to work and live for the brightest and most motivated of humankind.

Once the US goes down, it's bad for the planet, and it's bad for humankind.


It's gonna cripple the US, but hey, at least yall get your terrible bottom of the barrel government provided healthcare.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Don't worry. When your kind is done with the US it will be a shithole and 3rd world country. Then we can all be sick, poor, and jobless together.


But hey, then we'll all be equals right!

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

I am keeping the avatar.

But I know what you mean. When I read posts here, I always walk away laughing at how dumb people can be and how little people realize how the world works. It really is comical. We should all have free healthcare and free houses and free food!


When it all goes to shit, look at those that are jealous of what others have accomplished and earned. You and they are to blame.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

The US already spends the biggest share of GDP on health-care but lags behind most wealthy industrialized nations in life expectancy, infant mortality and health outcomes. That's the system you apparently want to keep.

So, you don't understand how most Americans get, and will continue to get, health care.

I know how multi-quote works.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_India

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Anyone claiming a country the size of the US "can't" do universal healthcare is simply wrong. It's not a question of lacking resources.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Unless I'm totally mistaken, Obamacare is not replacing Medicare/Medicaid.

Currently Medicare/Medicaid and SS make up over 1/3 of total US expenditures.

And we all see how well those are run, correct? So now we think Obamacare is going to be efficiently run government health program? Give me a break.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Of course the US can do it. It will just ruin the economy and provide terrible government run healthcare that will be worse for most citizens that pay for health insurance now.


There is a huge difference in looking at healthcare for 300,000,000 vs 30,000,000.