Why did Carol need to change?

[SalvorHardin]

Was Spock ever seen in this suit in STID?

Yes, in the shuttle when we first meet Carol Marcus.

I suspect the actors would have baked in all three layers, especially when filming indoors!

Wouldn't crewmembers "bake" in the same way, too?

dJE

Shuttles have great air-conditioning. Better than movie sets

At the start of the movie, Sulu has the blue-grey of his wetsuit showing through the shoulders of his flightsuit. Therefore, they are supposed to be windows, regardless of how the costumes are constructed IRL.

I hadn't noticed but after rewatching the scene it looks like you are right. Uhura's wetsuit can be seen too.

 

[Opus]

For the practical "real-world" costume, yes, so that the actors don't have to wear an extra layer under the stage lights... but "in-universe" it seems to be a little window, emphasized by the uniform seam visible exactly where it should be.

This explanation still doesn't change the fact that female officers wearing the miniskirt uniform need to change in order to wear the jumpsuit.

 

[khan2]

Spock: Don't grieve, fanbase - it's only logical...the needs of the money outweigh the needs of the one.

Kirk: Or the two

 

[BillJ]

For the practical "real-world" costume, yes, so that the actors don't have to wear an extra layer under the stage lights... but "in-universe" it seems to be a little window, emphasized by the uniform seam visible exactly where it should be.

This explanation still doesn't change the fact that female officers wearing the miniskirt uniform need to change in order to wear the jumpsuit.

Meh.

I guess we'll just have to live with the fact that there is something in the movie they didn't think all the way through. Won't be the first time.

Though I guess it does throw Marcus' motivations open to interpretation. If she needed to put on another uniform, she could have done that in her quarters before reporting to the shuttle bay. So maybe she was wanting a little "Captain Kirk" action before heading planetside?

 

[FarStrider]

Meh.

I guess we'll just have to live with the fact that there is something in the movie they didn't think all the way through. Won't be the first time.

Though I guess it does throw Marcus' motivations open to interpretation. If she needed to put on another uniform, she could have done that in her quarters before reporting to the shuttle bay. So maybe she was wanting a little "Captain Kirk" action before heading planetside?

She was reassigned to the Enterprise at the last possible minute, hadn't been assigned quarters yet, and her suitcase was in the shuttle. How is that for rationalization?

~FS

 

[Commishsleer]

Actually I think attractive girls (and only attractive girls) feeling confident and relaxed enough to get undressed in front of their new boss fits right into GR's vision of the future.

I think he'd be laughing at the controversy.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

And yet McCoy gets changed just as easily off screen. Having a female character just as a love interest/sex appeal is a waste. I find in annoying that a female character in NuTrek can't have screen time unless it is there as some kind of validation for a man--which is part of the reason I can't stand NuUhura.

 

[JarodRussell]

My wife and I were recounting STiD tonight and she brought up something I hadn't noticed when we watched the film, either of the 3 times I saw it. There was all of this controversy about Carol getting half naked in front of Kirk in preparation to test the fancy torpedoes. I had no problem with it as Star Trek has always featured gratuitous use of skimpy clothes on women. What my wife brought up though was...why did she need to change out of her duty uniform to put on the field/flight suit?

As we can see from the little triangular windows on the shoulders, the suit is worn over your duty uniform, thus the department color can be seen. So if all that needs to be done is put it on over your uniform, why change at all? And further more, if she put the suit over herself with nothing under but her skivvies, why aren't we just seeing skin through those windows rather than (as I seem to remember) the blue of her tunic?

I know I'm bringing this oh-so controversial topic up again, but I'm curious as to whether we missed something (something about her uniform that wouldn't allow the suit to be worn over it, etc.) that would explain it. Because now that I think of it, without a real reason for her getting undressed the scene really is quite silly and unnecessary.

Because fuck you, that's why.

I love this. That way they don't have to deal with criticism of any sort.

 

[M'Sharak]

And yet McCoy gets changed just as easily off screen. Having a female character just as a love interest/sex appeal is a waste. I find in annoying that a female character in NuTrek can't have screen time unless it is there as some kind of validation for a man--which is part of the reason I can't stand NuUhura.

Yet we have a "Most Attractive Female" poll currently running. We suddenly seem to have them cropping up everywhere.

 

[drt]

At the start of the movie, Sulu has the blue-grey of his wetsuit showing through the shoulders of his flightsuit. Therefore, they are supposed to be windows, regardless of how the costumes are constructed IRL. I suspect the actors would have baked in all three layers, especially when filming indoors!

For similar comfort reasons, I believe most of the time the actors are wearing a uniform shirt with a black collar sewn in, not the colored shirt over a black undershirt it's supposed to be.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

My wife and I were recounting STiD tonight and she brought up something I hadn't noticed when we watched the film, either of the 3 times I saw it. There was all of this controversy about Carol getting half naked in front of Kirk in preparation to test the fancy torpedoes. I had no problem with it as Star Trek has always featured gratuitous use of skimpy clothes on women. What my wife brought up though was...why did she need to change out of her duty uniform to put on the field/flight suit?

As we can see from the little triangular windows on the shoulders, the suit is worn over your duty uniform, thus the department color can be seen. So if all that needs to be done is put it on over your uniform, why change at all? And further more, if she put the suit over herself with nothing under but her skivvies, why aren't we just seeing skin through those windows rather than (as I seem to remember) the blue of her tunic?

I know I'm bringing this oh-so controversial topic up again, but I'm curious as to whether we missed something (something about her uniform that wouldn't allow the suit to be worn over it, etc.) that would explain it. Because now that I think of it, without a real reason for her getting undressed the scene really is quite silly and unnecessary.

Because fuck you, that's why.

I love this. That way they don't have to deal with criticism of any sort.

Except the only reason spoiled, entitled, petty, bitter fans are bitching is precisely because he was dealing with the criticism, and dared to have a moment of frustration and humanity where he gave back just a little bit of the invective that has been endlessly heaped on him and his coworkers for years because they made a couple movies that a small number of fans have a near religious hatred of.

He could have been the aloof writer that doesn't talk to fans directly, doesn't read fan sites, doesn't do frequent interviews, doesn't listen to what fans are saying and actually give their ideas consideration. That's the safe way to do things, the way of many previous writers and others working on Trek productions. You don't have to see the criticism or respond to it. But instead, he decided to be actively engaged with fans, warts and all, and after being bombarded with delusional complaints about how he's ruined Star Trek despite making two box office successes that were critically and (the vast majority of...) fan acclaimed, he lost his temper a bit and said something far less terrible than some of the horrible personal remarks that have been directed at him. And he immediately apologized for it as well; the bastard!

If they actually didn't deal with the criticism hypocrites wouldn't have any ammo to constantly throw at them. Remember when Lindelof addressed the Carol Marcus undressing scene? I know you do because you were whining about his answer. So quit lying about how they haven't tried to address fan's comments, complaints, and concerns and have just been angrily dismissive. They've given fans more access to their thought processes and methods and a greater level of interaction than we've ever gotten before, and had to put up with being shit on by a small but extremely vocal minority of those fans who make everyone look bad as a result.

He had the nerve to finally get angry in the face of constant tired bullshit, so you can now pettily dismiss everything he says in the future. He already apologized for the incident, but you're going to keep it alive and use it against him indefinitely, even in unrelated discussions like this one. That doesn't make him look bad, it makes you look bad.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

And yet McCoy gets changed just as easily off screen. Having a female character just as a love interest/sex appeal is a waste. I find in annoying that a female character in NuTrek can't have screen time unless it is there as some kind of validation for a man--which is part of the reason I can't stand NuUhura.

Yet we have a "Most Attractive Female" poll currently running. We suddenly seem to have them cropping up everywhere.

Being attractive has nothing to do with the size of breasts, if it was it'd be "who is sexier?", being 'attractive' is the whole package including them as an individual with their own mind and personality--which is always far more attractive.

In the interest of fairness, there sould be an equal amount of male flesh in NuTrek 3, so Kirk should save the day in a jockstrap

Blatantly having a scene for the trailers in order to get the pervs in is pretty pathetic, IMO.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Blatantly having a scene for the trailers in order to get the pervs in is pretty pathetic, IMO.

Finding a half-naked woman (or man) sexy makes one a perv? Well, I guess humanity is almost entirely made up of perverts then. It's a fair point worthy of debate to call the scene itself sexist, but that goes a bit overboard, don't you think?

Also, I doubt a large number of people went to see the movie purely for a scene which they literally saw in its entirety in the trailer.

 

[BillJ]

Blatantly having a scene for the trailers in order to get the pervs in is pretty pathetic, IMO.

Finding a half-naked woman (or man) sexy makes one a perv? Well, I guess humanity is almost entirely made up of perverts then. It's a fair point worthy of debate to call the scene itself sexist, but that goes a bit overboard, don't you think?

Also, I doubt a large number of people went to see the movie purely for a scene which they literally saw in its entirety in the trailer.

Common-sense has no place in this discussion.

 

[Ovation]

Blatantly having a scene for the trailers in order to get the pervs in is pretty pathetic, IMO.

Finding a half-naked woman (or man) sexy makes one a perv? Well, I guess humanity is almost entirely made up of perverts then. It's a fair point worthy of debate to call the scene itself sexist, but that goes a bit overboard, don't you think?

Also, I doubt a large number of people went to see the movie purely for a scene which they literally saw in its entirety in the trailer.

Common-sense has no place in this discussion.

Nor in any other, it appears.

In answer to OP's question, miniskirt.

 

[Commishsleer]

And yet McCoy gets changed just as easily off screen. Having a female character just as a love interest/sex appeal is a waste. I find in annoying that a female character in NuTrek can't have screen time unless it is there as some kind of validation for a man--which is part of the reason I can't stand NuUhura.

Yet we have a "Most Attractive Female" poll currently running. We suddenly seem to have them cropping up everywhere.

Being attractive has nothing to do with the size of breasts, if it was it'd be "who is sexier?", being 'attractive' is the whole package including them as an individual with their own mind and personality--which is always far more attractive.

In the interest of fairness, there sould be an equal amount of male flesh in NuTrek 3, so Kirk should save the day in a jockstrap

Blatantly having a scene for the trailers in order to get the pervs in is pretty pathetic, IMO.

I thought the 'attractive' polls meant who was better looking, not who you 'like' the best. I think you should have made that clearer.

Some people are saying on the TOS poll, I don't fancy any of them. If it were who is the nicest female person/character then you'd get different results

 

[Sindatur]

Those aren't windows, they are coloured patches.

Huh? All the closeup pics I saw seemed to indicate they were transparent window panels.

Yea, that's exactly what they appear to be, except they also appear to have the patch sewn underneath them, to give the illusion the under uniform is showing through

 

[Ovation]

Standard costuming shortcut. Happens in stage productions all the time. It's supposed to be a window to see the coloured shirt. Real life version is very likely more comfortable if a patch of shirt material is sown under the window. We're never meant to see "in-story" any crew member with the zipper down like Quinto in the behind the scenes photo.

 

[M'Sharak]

In the interest of fairness, there sould be an equal amount of male flesh in NuTrek 3, so Kirk should save the day in a jockstrap

Standard-issue (and flame retardant) Starfleet-blue TripTuckers, or forget it.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Finding a half-naked woman (or man) sexy makes one a perv?

Star Trek fans are so mature they have grown beyond the desire to see their favourite actors in states of undress. Cover up all those beautiful Starfleet people! In fact, just hire really old, ugly character actors, and dress them in thick overcoats, balaclavas and gumboots.