Why didn't they just keep their characters?

[Captain Clark Terrell]

^ IIRC, the only ones who know about the entire thing with Vreenak were Sisko and Garak.

Correct. There is a novel that's set immediately after "In the Pale Moonlight" in which Sisko confesses his actions to Starfleet but discovers that they don't care because the Romulans entering the war will benefit the Federation far more than their continued absence would have.

--Sran

 

[Therin of Andor]

While catching up on TOS I spotted Majel Barrett-Roddenberry as Christine Chapel who's another character they could have kept instead of making her Lwaxana Troi, though she'd be Diana's Human mother instead of the Betazoid side and we would lose her psychic 'screwing with Picard' moments, and I so enjoy seeing Picard out of his element.

Huh?

Chapel was a nurse in TOS and TAS and a doctor in TMP and ST IV. So her character was "kept". She's in the movies!

We saw how old McCoy was in "Encounter at Farpoint". Now you want Majel in old-age makeup, as Chapel, to be Troi's mother? Recycling old TOS characters for absolutely no purpose.

Majel was once cajoled by Roddenberry to consider doing a bonus cameo in TMP as M'Ress (the felinoid from TAS, whom she voiced) and she said she'd never be comfortable trying to act under latex appliances.

 

[bbjeg]

We saw how old McCoy was in "Encounter at Farpoint". Now you want Majel in old-age makeup, as Chapel, to be Troi's mother? Recycling old TOS characters for absolutely no purpose.

I failed to add the age difference between series one that one, mentioning it only because it was the same actress but funny you should say that.

I watched TOS' "Shore Leave" and came across a character they should have recycled. I think they should have used Finnegan instead of Hendorff in 2009's Star Trek. Finnegan could have been that bully that Kirk never gets to pin it back to, instead of a guy who gets killed by a flower in "The Apple".

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ A lot of people thought Cupcake WAS Finnegan...except for the lack of Oirish.

Oh well. They could always use Finnegan later. Start over, as it were. Or to put it another way: Finnegan, begin again.

 

[bbjeg]

Also TNG's Q sound a lot like TOS' Metron. They both judged humanity savage and trialed each captain to prove otherwise.

 

[Anwar]

Also TNG's Q sound a lot like TOS' Metron. They both judged humanity savage and trialed each captain to prove otherwise.

Trelane also reminded me of a Q.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

A terrorist is just a freedom fighter by another name. Whether he counts as a hero or a villain depends entirely on your point of view.

BS.

There's certainly overlap between 'Terrorist' and 'Freedom fighter'. The Maquis and the Bajoran resistance fall into that overlap.

Pretty hard to describe Terra Firma, The Circle or abortion clinic bombers as 'Freedom fighters'. Terrorists who fight not for freedom, but to force people to follow their own will.

Osama Bin Laden, Abu Nidal, Abu Yusef, and others can also be added to that list.

 

[bbjeg]

Nomad from TOS "The Changeling" made me think of a Borg project gone wrong. The Borg find a primitive machine and upgrade it to find and destroy it's primitive source maybe. Borg perfection would ultimately end with the removal of imperfections. It's not needed but a tie-in is doable.

 

[Pavonis]

Nomad was the result of a freak collision and binding with an alien probe called Tan-Ru. The Borg had nothing to do with Nomad's search for perfection.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ And in the infinite vastness of space, what are the odds that two small probes just slam into each other like that? Something more had to have been at work there.

 

[Belz...]

^ And in the infinite vastness of space, what are the odds that two small probes just slam into each other like that? Something more had to have been at work there.

In fiction, improbable stuff happens all the time. Shouldn't read too much into it.

 

[Pavonis]

^ And in the infinite vastness of space, what are the odds that two small probes just slam into each other like that? Something more had to have been at work there.

That's why I said it was a "freak collision". What are the odds that two small probes would collide, and then repair themselves into one unit rather than simply be destroyed? It's a far-fetched scenario, but bringing Borg into it is a stretch, too.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I've heard that in the early days of automobiles, the only two cars in an entire state crashed into each other.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

I've heard that in the early days of automobiles, the only two cars in an entire state crashed into each other.

Not so far-fetched if they were sold at the same place.

--Sran

 

[Pavonis]

I believe it, too. Reality, unlike fiction, isn't constrained by the need to be plausible.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

I believe it, too. Reality, unlike fiction, isn't constrained by the need to be plausible.

Because the only requirement of plausibility that something happens or can happen. Fiction has to meet the reader's expectations by keeping to established ideas and themes. Hypothetical scenarios are interesting, but only if they don't require extreme suspension of disbelief.

--Sran

 

[bbjeg]

Nomad was the result of a freak collision and binding with an alien probe called Tan-Ru. The Borg had nothing to do with Nomad's search for perfection.

It just reminded me of the Borg. Tan Ru assimilated Nomad, merging directives, and it was obsessed with perfection. Does Tan Ru have a back story?

 

[Pavonis]

Seems more like Nomad assimilated Tan-Ru, since the Nomad part was dominant.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Finnegan could have been that bully that Kirk never gets to pin it back to, instead of a guy who gets killed by a flower in "The Apple".

Finnegan was certainly the hot favourite for Cupcake after 2009, but I guess the thick Irish accent was a big part of the character in TOS, so Orci & Kurtzman picking Hendorff, a guy who really only gets to die in TOS, was fine by me. It was really cool when IDW first revealed the name in the comic and I realised he had been a canonical TOS redshirt!

 

[Therin of Andor]

Does Tan Ru have a back story?

Memory Alpha notes: "Jack Treviño, a writer who sold several stories to Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, once pitched a story to Star Trek: Enterprise about the crew of the NX-01 encountering Tan Ru, before it merged with Nomad. The story was well-received, and Treviño felt it might have been bought, but this never happened, due to the cancellation of Enterprise.

In the season one episode, "Civilization", the crew did meet the Malurians, a race the merged probe would later destroy.