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[CorporalCaptain]

@CorporalCaptain: Yes, you are right. Forgot about those.

A thought just occured to me (now this is really OT) -- did the auxiliary power test play a part in the transporter malfunction? IIRC, when Kirk first engineering, the computer announces the auxiliary power test is in 2 minutes (or something to that effect). It seems like the transporter accident happened within a couple minutes of that.

Yeah, I always suspected that, too. Again, the DE axed the computer voice, so I can't definitely tell, but if I remember correctly about when the announcement is, the accident happens a little over two minutes after the mark of two minutes until the test, so it would seem that the test could have had something to do with the accident.

I also now clearly remember the computer announcing that there's a travel pod available after Kirk and Scott arrive.

 

[Workbee]

Yep... God.... that would annoy the hell out of me if I had to listen to that computer voice anounce everything like that. I guess in universe we can assume that Kirk didn't have a chance to customize the ship's "default preferences" because of the emergency, but by the time of TWOK they had been adjusted, hence no adjustments for travel pods or such by the computer in that movie.

 

[Maurice]

Or maybe the "help" system was set to max because the ship wasn't certified fully operational.

 

[FalTorPan]

. . . When Robert Abel's FX clmalnu was let go (and Richard Taylor with it), Trumbull retained Probert and added a few things of his own . . .

What's a "clmalnu"?

company

 

[SpHeRe31459]

Yeah, I always suspected that, too. Again, the DE axed the computer voice, so I can't definitely tell, but if I remember correctly about when the announcement is, the accident happens a little over two minutes after the mark of two minutes until the test, so it would seem that the test could have had something to do with the accident.

Which really makes you wonder what happened to the fail-safes on the transporter if this affect it?

 

[The Old Mixer]

14 years in-universe is a lot of time to get the bugs ironed out. Plus, in TWOK the Enterprise was a training ship...they didn't want the buttinski computer voice giving the cadets all the answers.

 

[Workbee]

@Sphere: I think Decker says something about a faulty backup crystal in the transporter circuit right before Kirk comes to relieve him. Seems like that might be a part of a failsafe system.

 

[OpenMaw]

@Sphere: I think Decker says something about a faulty backup crystal in the transporter circuit right before Kirk comes to relieve him. Seems like that might be a part of a failsafe system.

"The transporter circuit was not activated. Faulty module."

I can only imagine what the transporter's computer system must have been thinking. "What the Hell do you want me to do?! I don't have any brains damn you!"

 

[SpHeRe31459]

@Sphere: I think Decker says something about a faulty backup crystal in the transporter circuit right before Kirk comes to relieve him. Seems like that might be a part of a failsafe system.

I know we're getting more OT, but...

That seems like it makes the transporter malfunction even more negligent, either with something in the initial design allowing transporters to work without a failsafe, or with the engineering staff who allowed it to do so. It seems to me without the failsafe working the transporter system should have been automatically taken offline. After all, it seems it was offline for the majority of the time the Enterprise was in the dock. So what's two more crew members being brought up via shuttle? Of course plot wise then you wouldn't lose Cmdr. Sonak thereby making room for Spock to come back.

 

[Hober Mallow]

Liked corridors and lots of engineering, hated just about everything else, in color scheme...

What color?

 

[bryce]

The intermix chamber was really cool, though.

I'll say. My favourite warp core. I was glad they did something similar in Voyager.

Yeah, I think for me the swirling gases core thing always evoked what I imagined it would be like going in super-close to the TOS nacelles caps, that inside those spokes of light you'd probably see gases like that.

Plus the cores where it was just rings of like (DEFIANT, E-E, E-D) just made me think 'physical lighting effect' without evoking the idea of it being a spaceship (sort of like when you see chase lights on old TV.)

My ideal warp core would have something like TNG's rings of light (but less obviously *neon lights*) going toward the intermix chamber...and then something like the TNG and VOY gas effect in the two conduits coming out of the chamber in the middle...representing the "warp plasma" being channeled off to the nacelles. Maybe I'd try to have some Poltergeist style light show coming from the middle, representing the tremendous energies being released by the destruction of matter and antimatter.

I think the *kinda* had something like that in TNG, but it was a very, very subdued effect.

Of course, really, you shouldn't see ANY of that, as it should all be heavily shielded...but magic Treknology has shields that filter out the bad radiation. (I like Christopher Bennet's description in, I think "Ex Machina", of the "glass" in those TNG conduits being really thick onion layers of insulation and conduits...and where we see inside is really happening in a thin tube in the middle of all those thick tubular layers - it's just so bright, that the light makes it all the way through....)

 

[publiusr]

That's a good way of putting it.

 

[Gojira]

I really like the re-fit back in 79 and love it to this day. I also liked the new interiors. I always felt that on a starship where space would be limited they wouldn't make these giant coridors like they had on TOS. The interiors on the refit in TMP seemed more practical.

 

[Kevman7987]

I really like the re-fit back in 79 and love it to this day. I also liked the new interiors. I always felt that on a starship where space would be limited they wouldn't make these giant coridors like they had on TOS. The interiors on the refit in TMP seemed more practical.

Hmm. The TMP corridors were shiny. I wonder what happens if they kept the 60s-style TOS uniforms for TMP instead of the drab 70s-style pajamas they went with?

If you put the crew in TOS uniforms in the shiny TMP interiors and add some lens flares, boom, you have a late-70's JJ Abrams nuTrek look.

 

[Warped9]

If you put the crew in TOS uniforms in the shiny TMP interiors and add some lens flares, boom, you have a late-70's JJ Abrams nuTrek look.

Uh...no.

 

[MANT!]

to answer the original post..Back in '79, as a member of the Sacramento Star Trek Association for Revival I noticed some members (a very vocal small minority of members) HATED just about everything with the movie including the refitted ship, the Klingons, the new uniforms complaining that it wasn't Star Trek anymore. I remember one saying "Damn Gene Roddenberry for ruining Star Trek" . So fandamentalists have been around as long as Star Trek (some out there only consider the first season of TOS [pre Gene Coon] to be "True Star Trek"). I remember the controversy over "militarizing Star Trek" after WOK's release. I also remember the great 1987 Original Series Fandamentalist revolt (as I now call it) against TNG.. and much the same antics were repeated by another very vocal minority..

It always happens, and will repeat itself over and over as long as Star Trek series and films keep getting made...

BTW, I took a strong dislike for the sleepwear "uniforms" of TMP but loved everything else.. And the Neo-Enterprise still hasn't grown on me but it did get a refit after "Into Darkness" so I can always hope...

 

[Gojira]

I really like the re-fit back in 79 and love it to this day. I also liked the new interiors. I always felt that on a starship where space would be limited they wouldn't make these giant coridors like they had on TOS. The interiors on the refit in TMP seemed more practical.

Hmm. The TMP corridors were shiny. I wonder what happens if they kept the 60s-style TOS uniforms for TMP instead of the drab 70s-style pajamas they went with?

If you put the crew in TOS uniforms in the shiny TMP interiors and add some lens flares, boom, you have a late-70's JJ Abrams nuTrek look.

I don't like the uniforms they used for the movie and I do wish they had used something that looked more like the uniforms from the series.

 

[Belz...]

Personally I like the TMP uniform that Kirk wore when we first see him. If all uniforms were based on the same design and fabric, but with varying colours for departments, that would have been fine with me and I wouldn't have minded them keeping those until Generations.

 

[Lance]

Personally I like the TMP uniform that Kirk wore when we first see him. If all uniforms were based on the same design and fabric, but with varying colours for departments, that would have been fine with me and I wouldn't have minded them keeping those until Generations.

Totally agree with this. The 'all in one' color scheme is what really kills the TMP uniforms for me, it's what makes them look like pyjamas. Kirk's Admiral uniform seen in the early part of the movie is great because it's a two-tone. The white strip down the middle nicely breaks up the colors on the sides. A variant of this with different colors denoting divisions would have looked great on the rest of the cast.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Could you be thinking of the Bricklin?

Horrible. Simply horrible.