Lindelof On Eve Scene (minor spoilers, hysteria, hyperbole)

[indranee]

Also...deleted shower scene

It was probably best the scene was left out of the movie, the ladies would have swooned over his character if it was there. Not something they should be doing over the villain!

they sure didn't need that scene to do THAT, though.

 

[cbspock]

What a fake controversy. So when did Trek fans get all uptight...

http://www.listal.com/list/star-trek-original-series-babes

Where is the outrage over the 79 episodes then..lol

-Chris

 

[BillJ]

What a fake controversy. So when did Trek fans get all uptight...

http://www.listal.com/list/star-trek-original-series-babes

Where is the outrage over the 79 episodes then..lol

-Chris

I think Star Trek fans are generally more conservative now.

 

[Belz...]

Conservative in what way ?

 

[BillJ]

Conservative in what way ?

I think many are more socially conservative now. No proof, just a feeling I get when interacting with various fans.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Conservative in what way ?

Older.

 

[Belz...]

Conservative in what way ?

I think many are more socially conservative now. No proof, just a feeling I get when interacting with various fans.

Odd, considering the usual stuff in Trek itself.

 

[BillJ]

Conservative in what way ?

I think many are more socially conservative now. No proof, just a feeling I get when interacting with various fans.

Odd, considering the usual stuff in Trek itself.

Like Admiral Buzzkill said above, the fanbase is getting older. Usually, as you get older you get more conservative for some reason.

It's an interesting phenomenon.

 

[sj4iy]

I think many are more socially conservative now. No proof, just a feeling I get when interacting with various fans.

Odd, considering the usual stuff in Trek itself.

Like Admiral Buzzkill said above, the fanbase is getting older. Usually, as you get older you get more conservative for some reason.

It's an interesting phenomenon.

Which is why they needed fresh blood

 

[BillJ]

Odd, considering the usual stuff in Trek itself.

Like Admiral Buzzkill said above, the fanbase is getting older. Usually, as you get older you get more conservative for some reason.

It's an interesting phenomenon.

Which is why they needed fresh blood

Absolutely right. Fresh blood to bring in a younger demographic.

 

[SalvorHardin]

We needed more Cumberbabes and less old geezers in this joint.

 

[HaventGotALife]

What a fake controversy. So when did Trek fans get all uptight...

http://www.listal.com/list/star-trek-original-series-babes

Where is the outrage over the 79 episodes then..lol

-Chris

I think Star Trek fans are generally more conservative now.

I'm a liberal.

 

[BillJ]

I'm a liberal.

I am too. But nowhere near the degree I was in my late-teens and twenties.

 

[siskokid888]

Man, I hate seeing beautiful young actresses scantily clad

In a movie filled with violence, this is what we're harping on? I mean, I get the whole objectification of women thing, but we get Pine in his 'wears a couple of times, so come on. Its showcasing the virility of youth, something that someone like me sorely misses, not just the hotness of the chick. Though the chick is pretty hot

 

[mos6507]

You people should look up the term "gratuitous" in order to understand the criticism.

There's an entire genre of panty anime that does everything they can to show upskirts. The plots make no sense at all. The girls are always falling down and even when they're not, they just position the camera for an upskirt "just because". That is the final evolution in gratuitous T&A, and while it may seem titillating at first, it just gets dull and repetitious after a while.

If you want to do eroticism right, make it integral to the plot. Then you can have Alice Eve naked for all anybody cares, because it makes sense that she BE naked. I've got no problem with a hard R or even an NC-17 Trek (considering it's never been done before) as long as the story naturally needs those sex scenes.

Alice Eve's scene had no reason to be there other than to allow the audience to act AS Kirk and ogle her. It was a Michael Bay moment, like in Transformers when the camera glides up Megan Fox's leg in those short-shorts. She didn't really have to change at all, or could have sent Kirk out of there before she did.

 

[BillJ]

Alice Eve's scene had no reason to be there other than to allow the audience to act AS Kirk and ogle her.

He didn't exactly 'ogle' her, he seemed more flustered than anything. He was beginning to become attracted to someone in something other than a superficial manner for the first time.

It was a character growth scene.

 

[DevilEyes]

I'm often bothered by sexism in movies, but I wasn't upset by this. They obviously did it to create some sexual tension between them and hint at the developments in future movies. So we saw her in her underwear, big deal.

The movie did much better in terms of female characters than it seemed from the trailer, where the only shots of Carol and Uhura were of them screaming and crying/comforted by a male character, respectively. They were actually quite proactive and determined in the movie, and the scenes didn't look bad at all in context (there's nothing wrong with showing a character screaming while she's seeing her father's head crushed), while, from the trailer, one might have thought it was going to be a "I'm frightened, captain" moment where the woman is the only one screaming or crying in the same situation where men are stoic.

 

[Belz...]

Like Admiral Buzzkill said above, the fanbase is getting older. Usually, as you get older you get more conservative for some reason.

It's an interesting phenomenon.

I'd like to believe I'm falling more towards the center as I grow old.

You people should look up the term "gratuitous" in order to understand the criticism.

I think a lot of posters, myself included, have admitted that it's pointless. But it doesn't make it objectionable. It's just a waste of time. And some posters are saying that this kind of scene is gnawing at the edge of civilization, so it's fair to counter that.

 

[marksound]

Like Admiral Buzzkill said above, the fanbase is getting older. Usually, as you get older you get more conservative for some reason.

It's an interesting phenomenon.

I'd like to believe I'm falling more towards the center as I grow old.

We call that "circling the drain."

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

You people should look up the term "gratuitous" in order to understand the criticism.

I understand the criticism: some folks who are hostile to the movie hold it to a standard that they ignore when watching versions of Star Trek that they like.

It's, you know, gratuitious nitpicking.