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STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

Roald said:
I am not Spock said:
Roald said:
True, though I hope we will get some clarity on the series being cannon or not... As much as I love TAS, I hate the whole 'cannon-not cannon' discussion (started by GR I guess).
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I have TAS right there on my shelf next to TOS, TNG, et al. It was produced, filmed, and aired. It's onscreen. It's canon, as far as I'm concerned.

A lot of the episodes were written by TOS veterans. I don't know when Roddenberry decided to turn his back on it.
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GR turned his back on STV as well, but that film is considered to be canon, so I've always wondered why the same can't be done regarding TAS.
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True. Everything Gene said should be taken with a grain of salt. There was a time when he even disavowed TOS as canon! When he was promoting TNG.

He didn't consider TFF or TUC canon either. And didn't like the military direction of the series after TMP.

If the rule is 'if it's onscreen, it is canon', then TAS is canon. I have a copy on DVD right here. It was as onscreen as any of the other shows or movies.
 
I'll be happy for the day when Roddenberry's name is never mentioned again (kudos for kickstarting notwithstanding).
 
Paramount is releasing several previews in IMAX theaters in Brazil (10) and the demand is great. The movie will premiere on June 14th in 2D. I think that STID box office in Brazil will have a greater increase than ST 2009.

I´m very happy and surprise. Finally, we are helping you. :techman:
 
Interesting. Some movies had this behavior. Box office regular or weak in the USA and very well internationally. Now STID is getting very popular outside USA. This is good because we are ensuring an respectable international box office for the next movie. Paramount needs to know the reason the film did not take off in your home. I'm not saying that is bad in the USA but expected to double.
 
ralph said:
Interesting. Some movies had this behavior. Box office regular or weak in the USA and very well internationally. Now STID is getting very popular outside USA. This is good because we are ensuring an respectable international box office for the next movie. Paramount needs to know the reason the film did not take off in your home. I'm not saying that is bad in the USA but expected to double.
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Agreed, Paramount needs to do some serious research and discern any possible factors involved in STID's good, but relatively disappointing performance in NA. Of course, it may be Trek has a natural "ceiling" for reasons many have discussed in this thread.
 
STiD should track closely with Star Trek's daily numbers through its first two weeks. It's the third weekend where it has an uphill battle. Star Trek had a great hold on its second weekend, a regular weekend, and then another great hold on its third weekend, the inflated Memorial Day weekend. STiD's second weekend is Memorial Day weekend. Films entering their third weekend the week after Memorial Day typically have a weekend drop in the high 40s to the mid-50s. Getting a good hold on that weekend is going to be very tough. That's the danger point where STiD could fall behind.
 
I am not Spock said:
True. Everything Gene said should be taken with a grain of salt. There was a time when he even disavowed TOS as canon! When he was promoting TNG.

He didn't consider TFF or TUC canon either. And didn't like the military direction of the series after TMP.
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He was also a giant cokehead who had a good idea in the 60s. The rest? Not as good.
 
Today (Wednesday) will be Star Treks last day at number 1 :(

Thursday we will be No.2
Friday will see us go to No.3 or maybe No.4

6.9m Tues very nice :) Maybe actual will go up to 7!
 
Admiral Buzzkill said:
IOW, Into Darkness continues to run somewhat ahead of Star Trek 2009 at the box office and people are wandering around with long faces.
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You are right. I think the premieres, red carpets, good reception of European, Asian, here in Brazil, Russia, projections of the critics, all of these made ​​me believe that STID would reach 100 M in USA easy. But we must be realistic. Star Trek has its limitations scifi genre and, after all, is not that bad. Maybe, 450 - 500 M Worldwide grossing would be very encouraging.
 
I am not Spock said:
A lot of the episodes were written by TOS veterans. I don't know when Roddenberry decided to turn his back on it.
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The "What is canon?" memo of 1989 coincided with several pertinent events. Filmation was being sold off. The output of their TV series backlog was in a state of ownership flux; it was not definite that TAS rights would revert to Paramount/Viacom since it was originally a joint production of Roddenberry's Norway Corp., NBC Children's TV and Filmation. TAS had not been on air for some time so it was not accessible to TNG's writers or viewers. David Gerrold and DC Fontana were suing Roddenberry over co-creatorship of TNG; it was politically sensible for the lawyers to dis-count their contribution to other material. Larry Niven's "Known Space" universe (and kzinti) was about to be licensed as a RPG.

When Richard Arnold defined "canon" from 1989 on, he would specify "live action". Until then, publications such as Lincoln Enterprises' TAS newsletters showed that GR was formerly a big supporter of TAS.
 
I am not Spock said:
Star Wars, wisely, kept new product in the public eye during the ten year gap between Revenge of the Sith, and Episode VII. In the form of the Clone Wars cartoon.

Star Trek needs to do the same. Another intelligently written TAS (the animation may not have been great in the Filmation series, but the stories were actually quite good. I proudly have TAS in my Trek DVD collection alongside the other tv series and movies) to get the kids interested in the franchise. Hire the new movie cast to do the voices.
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Now we're talking turkey.
Can someone transmute this post into a stick that we can beat the bean counters over the head at CBS/Paramount with? :mallory:
 
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An exchange between Box Office Guru and a follower on Twitter:

Follower: better movie than the numbers suggest. If it follows The Hobbits trajectory could it still finish about $250m? No xmas tho.
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BOG: no chance. will be lucky to get to 200 dom.
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Folower: pretty disastrous right? What would a below 200 finish do to the franchise?
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BOG: I wouldn't say disaster. franchise should still continue even if it finishes in 180-200 range. may try to keep costs lower.
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