Lindelof On Eve Scene (minor spoilers, hysteria, hyperbole)

[Amaris]

Re: Lindelof On Eve Scene

Then why do this to the image?
Kate Upton Photoshop

Why do this to a woman that isn't close to a size 14?
OKC Thunder Cheerleader called "chunky"

50 "Fat" Celebrities

I can't help but notice that your question has literally nothing to do with my post.

They touch up pictures all the time. Again, no one is expected to look like this. And that some jobs require some bodies is not new. Hell, actors gain or lose weight for roles all the time.

I've addressed your question up-thread. If you want a reminder, I suggest clicking back and looking for the red box and the pink equals sign.

What does it have to do with Alice Eve's role as Dr. Carol Marcus?

 

[HaventGotALife]

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Oh, please. No one is expected to look like a movie star. This is a fad that's existed since the 30s or longer, and it's not more true now than it was then.

The human body is a beautiful thing and we like looking at it. Acting all shy about it and hiding it as much as possible is probably more damaging than showing it regularily.

Hell, she wasn't even naked. What's the big deal ?

Then why do this to the image?
Kate Upton Photoshop

Why do this to a woman that isn't close to a size 14?
OKC Thunder Cheerleader called "chunky"

50 "Fat" Celebrities

What does this have to do with Alice Eve and her role as Dr. Marcus?

Because the poster made the larger point that we like looking at the human body, and my point is that we don't get it unfiltered, and there are celebrities that are called fat every day where the fans are fatter than the ones calling them that.

 

[Amaris]

Re: Lindelof On Eve Scene

Then why do this to the image?
Kate Upton Photoshop

Why do this to a woman that isn't close to a size 14?
OKC Thunder Cheerleader called "chunky"

50 "Fat" Celebrities

What does this have to do with Alice Eve and her role as Dr. Marcus?

Because the poster made the larger point that we like looking at the human body, and my point is that we don't get it unfiltered, and there are celebrities that are called fat every day where the fans are fatter than the ones calling them that.

Says who? I love the human body and I've seen it in nearly every variation. I don't get my information from beauty magazines and gossip rags.

Still, what does any of that have to do with Alice Eve and her role as Dr. Marcus? Also, should she be ashamed that she doesn't meet your definition of normal?

 

[HaventGotALife]

Re: Lindelof On Eve Scene

What does this have to do with Alice Eve and her role as Dr. Marcus?

Because the poster made the larger point that we like looking at the human body, and my point is that we don't get it unfiltered, and there are celebrities that are called fat every day where the fans are fatter than the ones calling them that.

Says who? I love the human body and I've seen it in nearly every variation. I don't get my information from beauty magazines and gossip rags.

Still, what does any of that have to do with Alice Eve and her role as Dr. Marcus? Also, should she be ashamed that she doesn't meet your definition of normal?

She fits the definition of Hollywood. My definition comes from FACT, not opinion.

Average body size is 5-4, 140-150 pounds, size 12-14

 

[CorporalCaptain]

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I saw it as a bit of foreshadowing of Kirk's and Carol's future relationship so I didn't think it was a useless scene.

Precisely.

 

[Amaris]

Re: Lindelof On Eve Scene

Because the poster made the larger point that we like looking at the human body, and my point is that we don't get it unfiltered, and there are celebrities that are called fat every day where the fans are fatter than the ones calling them that.

Says who? I love the human body and I've seen it in nearly every variation. I don't get my information from beauty magazines and gossip rags.

Still, what does any of that have to do with Alice Eve and her role as Dr. Marcus? Also, should she be ashamed that she doesn't meet your definition of normal?

She fits the definition of Hollywood. My definition comes from FACT, not opinion.

Average body size is 5-4, 140-150 pounds, size 12-14

So you're talking about average women in the United States. Should Alice Eve feel bad for not being the same size as an average woman in the United States? Because she was born in London, England.

 

[Belz...]

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I've addressed your question up-thread. If you want a reminder, I suggest clicking back and looking for the red box and the pink equals sign.

No you didn't. You claim that this basically a bad influence on kids, and your "evidence" is that people in magasines are expected to look good. That's not exactly a revelation, but more damningly, it's not evidence.

Because the poster made the larger point that we like looking at the human body, and my point is that we don't get it unfiltered

If they stop retouching pictures, they'll just look harder for people with the better bodies.

My definition comes from FACT, not opinion.

You might want to look up the definition for that uppercase word.

Average body size is 5-4, 140-150 pounds, size 12-14

So what about fat people in movies ? They're not the average, so is that wrong ? Who cares about the average, and how does that relate to Alice Eve ?

 

[M'Sharak]

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I believe that the scene in question is a tasteful and delightful moment in an otherwise painful experience.
But then, I'm told that I represent everything that is Wrong and E-Vile in Trek fandom.

I do my best.

And we love you for it, Bob.

 

[CorporalClegg]

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I saw it as a bit of foreshadowing of Kirk's and Carol's future relationship so I didn't think it was a useless scene.

Precisely.

This is what I assumed it was going to be when all the fuss started with whatever trailer it was in first. I expected Kirk to blush, do a double-take, or something along those lines as if to say, "There's something different about this woman..." But ultimately, I found the whole thing rushed and awkward.

 

[iguana_tonante]

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Usually I'm all for self-esteem and what-do-you-care-what-other-people-think, but if the average American woman is 160cm by 70kg, then it's a fact that American people are way too fat for their own good.

It's possible to be healthy and fit with that measurement? Sure. Is it likely? No.

 

[iguana_tonante]

Re: Lindelof On Eve Scene

Usually I'm all for self-esteem and what-do-you-care-what-other-people-think, but if the average American woman is 160cm by 70kg, then it's a fact that American people are way too fat for their own good.

It's possible to be healthy and fit with that measurement? Sure. Is it likely? No.

 

[Belz...]

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This is what I assumed it was going to be when all the fuss started with whatever trailer it was in first. I expected Kirk to blush, do a double-take, or something along those lines as if to say, "There's something different about this woman..." But ultimately, I found the whole thing rushed and awkward.

I admit that it seemed tacked on, and pointless, but it went by so fast, I don't know what people are complaining about. It's such a minor part of the movie, I have to wonder if people aren't looking for an excuse to whine.

Showing sexy women is not always sexist.

 

[HaventGotALife]

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I've addressed your question up-thread. If you want a reminder, I suggest clicking back and looking for the red box and the pink equals sign.

No you didn't. You claim that this basically a bad influence on kids, and your "evidence" is that people in magasines are expected to look good. That's not exactly a revelation, but more damningly, it's not evidence.

Because the poster made the larger point that we like looking at the human body, and my point is that we don't get it unfiltered

If they stop retouching pictures, they'll just look harder for people with the better bodies.

My definition comes from FACT, not opinion.

You might want to look up the definition for that uppercase word.

Average body size is 5-4, 140-150 pounds, size 12-14

So what about fat people in movies ? They're not the average, so is that wrong ? Who cares about the average, and how does that relate to Alice Eve ?

http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=8131876&postcount=19

My point is that this needless scene is perpetuating a body image that is not obtainable for most women. There there is scientific research that exposure to images like this influence people as young as 4 years old. Read the original post. I didn't just use gossip magazines. I started with scientific research, put it in the larger context, and why Star Trek should be ashamed of itself.

 

[BillJ]

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Star Trek has no need to be ashamed of itself. The woman is a military officer and should be in shape.

 

[sj4iy]

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Am I the only person who really didn't care? And I'm female. Star Trek has always had scantily dressed women (or wearing super-tight suits). It was a whole 3 second shot out of a two hour movie.

Oh, as the mother of a 4-year old little girl, anyone showing their young daughter this movie has bigger issues than body image.

 

[BillJ]

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Am I the only person who really didn't care? And I'm female. Star Trek has always had scantily dressed women (or wearing super-tight suits). It was a whole 3 second shot out of a two hour movie.

We're just thinking of the children!

 

[Belz...]

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My point is that this needless scene is perpetuating a body image that is not obtainable for most women.

Perpetuating ? Seriously, assuming that the scene wasn't needless, which it was, would you have prefered a cellulite-ridden body ? Of course not.

There there is scientific research that exposure to images like this influence people as young as 4 years old.

If it can encourage kids to take care of their bodies rather than become fat and out of shape, I'm all for it. Where's that research, by the way ?

I started with scientific research, put it in the larger context, and why Star Trek should be ashamed of itself.

Or maybe it's just fiction and you're over-analysing and projecting your values onto it.

Oh, as the mother of a 4-year old little girl, anyone showing their young daughter this movie has bigger issues than body image.

I watched violent Japanese anime at 5. Didn't seem to scar me.

 

[Pauln6]

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Yeah, it was a cheap way of getting some skin and foreshadowing a possible liason. The problem I have with it - NuBSG showed members of the opposite sex changing together without any hint of voyeurism because, you know what, they're professionals. The way the scene was handled said quite a bit about the juvenile sexist attitudes of the writers and might explain why they've included so few female characters in the last two movies compared to males.

 

[Amaris]

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Yeah, it was a cheap way of getting some skin and foreshadowing a possible liason. The problem I have with it - NuBSG showed members of the opposite sex changing together without any hint of voyeurism because, you know what, they're professionals. The way the scene was handled said quite a bit about the juvenile sexist attitudes of the writers and might explain why they've included so few female characters in the last two movies compared to males.

Or, you know, Kirk's really attracted to her and it made him blush.

 

[BillJ]

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You know Alice Eve has the same body with or without the uniform? Her curves were very apparent in her Starfleet uniform. Should we dress her up like the Michelin Man?