Dumb questions about Star Trek Into Darkness (Spoilers)

[M'Sharak]

I feel Bob Orci is ignorant. These people are in an induced coma state. Doctors in our contemporary era can take blood samples from comatose patients without having to wake them.

I think the issue is that they didn't know if the other Augments had that kind of ability, and there was no time to test it.

As for number one, I don't remember the transporter being off-line.

I suppose I didn't get this with the last movie, but Spock Prime could not get back to his own time-line correct?

Where did you get that idea ?

No, just confused as to how Spock could so readily call up Spock Prime...is this not correct? Spock asked Uhura to hail New Vulcan and then he was speaking to Spock Prime on the monitor. Sitting and watching the movie, I thought they were speaking through time lol but later I realized that Spock Prime is on New Vulcan---he exists in his own time-line until he took off to aid the Romulans and was stranded on the ice planet--from then on --hiding from his father Sarek, I believe Spock Prime has to now live the rest of his life in the same time-line as New Spock. I'd love to be put to rights if I'm just making up a completed new story in my mind

Spock Prime (OldSpock) is in the same alt-timeline as nuSpock and nuSarek. He cannot (as far as we know) return to the Prime timeline, and no time-travel (or time-telephony) is involved in communication between Spocks.

 

[Tiberius Jim]

Regarding Transporter Problems: I assumed that transporter beam shield penetrating tech was part of the Dreadnaught's superiority.

Then why does Khan need Spock to lower the shields before he can beam the torpedoes out of their bays? If Marcus cold beam Carol out through shields due to knowing her position, the same could be done by Khan to take the torps. It's not that Khan doesn't know about that ship's capabilities...he knows that thing like the back of his hand.

 

[SonicRanger]

Regarding Transporter Problems: I assumed that transporter beam shield penetrating tech was part of the Dreadnaught's superiority.

Then why does Khan need Spock to lower the shields before he can beam the torpedoes out of their bays? If Marcus cold beam Carol out through shields due to knowing her position, the same could be done by Khan to take the torps. It's not that Khan doesn't know about that ship's capabilities...he knows that thing like the back of his hand.

Probably not a good idea to force-beam something (or a whole lot of somethings) highly explosive through shields.

 

[Belz...]

Were the Enterprise's shields up when Marcus beamed her up ? I was under the impression that the beating they took knocked out the shields.

 

[BillJ]

Still pretty fuzzy plot points...

Star Trek: Fuzzy plot points since 1966!

I was a bit confused by the inconsistent (and pervasive problem, as it effects Trek XI too) use of beaming people who were moving versus people who are stationary. Harrison and Spock are on a moving vessel but are "Moving too much" to be beamed, yet Chekov could beam two guys who were falling at hundreds of miles a minute in the previous movie. Carol runs away from the beaming process, either out of fear or an attempt to not be beamed, yet still was beamed intact when the "falling" Amanda Grayson couldn't be beamed even though they were already locked on. Uhura can be beamed on to a fast moving object while not being subject to the object moving too far ahead of her and falling to her death.

Couple of thoughts here...

Kirk and Sulu were falling at a likely constant rate of speed towards a point that could be projected. So it was just a matter of intersecting the transporter with a point they'd pass through at precisely the right time. With Spock and Khan, no could project exactly where they would be on that barge at any given moment. Sending Uhura down was easier because they simply had to project its course.

Chekov couldn't re-establish a lock on Amanda because gravity was in flux on Vulcan due to it collapsing.

Yes, they're my bullshit fan explanations. But they work for me.

 

[TommyW]

I was wondering why they couldn't just hop in another shuttle to beam Spock out of the volcano. Presumably the Enterprise doesn't just have 1

 

[BillJ]

I was wondering why they couldn't just hop in another shuttle to beam Spock out of the volcano. Presumably the Enterprise doesn't just have 1

Three minutes and you likely have to prep one to fly.

 

[TommyW]

Three minutes and you likely have to prep one to fly.

You'd think it would take less time to get a shuttle ready than it would the Enterprise!

 

[BillJ]

Three minutes and you likely have to prep one to fly.

You'd think it would take less time to get a shuttle ready than it would the Enterprise!

Unless you turn off the warp drive, the Enterprise should always be ready to go!

 

[AlxxlA]

I was wondering why they couldn't just hop in another shuttle to beam Spock out of the volcano. Presumably the Enterprise doesn't just have 1

I was wondering why they didn't just have a longer lift cable.

 

[Tommunist]

I just assume the Vengeance could beam through the Enterprise's shields, but maybe it doesn't feel too good for the beamee!
As for the torpedoes; because of the "secret shielding" that prevents scanning their insides, Khan wouldn't risk beaming through the Enterprise's shields for the torps due to a concern over the augments saftey.
But then, I always wondered how the Enterprise-E beamed the Defiant's survivors aborad without lowering their shields right in fron of an attacking Borg cube!

 

[sj4iy]

I feel Bob Orci is ignorant. These people are in an induced coma state. Doctors in our contemporary era can take blood samples from comatose patients without having to wake them. And, considering this is the future, I would think their ability to decode the genetic structure could be done in minutes. A greater concern I have is that blood type has to match blood type. If it doesn't, there is a probability that the bodies' immune system will attack the new blood.

It is possible to beam through shields. Miles O'Brien was able to beam through the shields of the Phoenix, because he knew the frequency. Shields go through a cycle, and, at the end of each cycle, there is a brief pause. Time the transport just right, and a person can get onto a ship.

Is it my imagination, or are the transporters in this new Star Trek slower than the older transporters? And, is it my imagination, or was Carol Marcus experiencing pain when her father was attempting to beam her off the Enterprise?

A FROZEN induced state. Taking blood immediately after unfreezing them may have an effect on the blood. And again, they had no idea if these people were augments or not. He never refers to them as such- he just says "My crew" over and over again. And even if they ARE augments, who says that their blood will have the same effect? They aren't clones- there are genetic differences. He wasn't even sure if Khan's blood would work, he was just taking a gamble. Kirk would literally only have a short time frame in which to be resuscitated before he suffered permanent brain damage or death. Now, if they couldn't get Khan? I'm sure he would have taken the risk with another person in the crew. But you try to go for the surer thing if you can get it.

Also the novel mentions that Kirk's body rejected it at first, but that they used anti-rejection drugs.