STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

[indranee]

Besides, they already gave the thing an "F". What more do you wanna know from them?

Just curiosity getting the better of me.

Heh. And you know what's generally said about THAT.

Seriously, some people will never be happy with JJTrek. I say let 'em stew in their juices. Maybe their collective ennui will bag us the prize we/they all want: a Trek tv show.

There, we'll all be one happy family then

 

[indranee]

So that article is basically saying that the non-stop action and the reduction in "Trekkiness" (I haven't seen the movie, so this is hearsay) is because of the studio listening to audience gripes about Trek in global market polls and wanting TDK numbers for this movie?

Yes. They want to make a movie that people will actually like and will justify them spending $10.00 on a ticket, unlike the old guard.

LOL. Syfy is showing Generations now, then Insurrection, then Nemesis.

I am just sitting here, shaking my head at Syfy. Some programmer in there must, MUST have a seriously twisted sense of humor. If ever there were a bigger chasm between what was needed and what we got during those TNG-era-movie years... this was pretty much it.

 

[BillJ]

Seriously, some people will never be happy with JJTrek. I say let 'em stew in their juices. Maybe their collective ennui will bag us the prize we/they all want: a Trek tv show.

There, we'll all be one happy family then

You must not have been around for the wars started because of the very existence of Voyager and Enterprise. It seems what Star Trek actually is, is a moving target for these folks.

 

[Phily B]

Everyone always seems to have a different idea of what a Trek film exactly is, what is it? I mean this movie had prime directive stuff in it, some political parts relevant to today and was overall entertaining when it came to action.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I'd far rather have these movies every four years and no TV series ever again than most of the post-TNG TV series and Trek films of the mid-to-late '90s.

 

[indranee]

Seriously, some people will never be happy with JJTrek. I say let 'em stew in their juices. Maybe their collective ennui will bag us the prize we/they all want: a Trek tv show.

There, we'll all be one happy family then

You must not have been around for the wars started because of the very existence of Voyager and Enterprise. It seems what Star Trek actually is, is a moving target for these folks.

Heh I was very much around. All you have to do to know that is see my posts on this board circa 2003-6.

That post was supposed to be sarcastic... maybe we need a 'sarcasm' smiley

 

[Phily B]

It kinda reminds me of the complaining when Enteprise got to Kronos so fast with a Warp 5 engine.....

 

[thumbtack]

I'm waiting for kirk55555 and Mr_Homn to post their reviews since they've both seen it and rated it an 'F'.

Well, you're forgetting that they both possess the psychic ability known as remote viewing, and did not need to wait for the movie to open anywhere near them.




.

 

[ALF]

I'd far rather have these movies every four years and no TV series ever again than most of the post-TNG TV series and Trek films of the mid-to-late '90s.

TVTrekkies vs MovieTrekkers. MovieTrekkies vs. TVTrekkers.
I love both of them but I really need to be in the mood for either. I think I'm biTrekual.

 

[throwback]

For films to be successful, they need to make money. Money is in the overseas market. The consumer base in the US is shrinking as more jobs become service-related, i.e. minimum wage jobs with minimal benefits.

I have seen and read about other films that did well overseas without losing their -ness. Is there something about Star Trek that doesn't translate overseas?

 

[M'Sharak]

I'm waiting for kirk55555 and Mr_Homn to post their reviews since they've both seen it and rated it an 'F'.

Well, you're forgetting that they both possess the psychic ability known as remote viewing, and did not need to wait for the movie to open anywhere near them.

'K, let's remember to keep this about the movie and not about other posters, shall we?

 

[Commishsleer]

That's the new Starfleet, ladies and gentledudes. Cadets become Captains, and navigator ensigns become chief engineers.

Geordi became Chief Engineer in TNG without seeming to know anything about engineering (being sent down there or offering suggestions in Season 1). And not only that he was an expert from the get-go.
At least Ensign Chekov had problems there.

 

[Phily B]

Chief O'Brien used to turn up to work every week with a different rank....

 

[donners22]

So that article is basically saying that the non-stop action and the reduction in "Trekkiness" (I haven't seen the movie, so this is hearsay) is because of the studio listening to audience gripes about Trek in global market polls and wanting TDK numbers for this movie?

Yes. They want to make a movie that people will actually like and will justify them spending $10.00 on a ticket, unlike the old guard.

Only $10? Geez, I think pensioners here have to pay more than that.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

http://www.thewrap.com/movies/article/star-trek-darkness-opens-warp-speed-overseas-box-office-91006

STID improves greatly over ST09 INT Box office

So that article is basically saying that the non-stop action and the reduction in "Trekkiness" (I haven't seen the movie, so this is hearsay) is because of the studio listening to audience gripes about Trek in global market polls and wanting TDK numbers for this movie?

Seriously, I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that.

Except, the truth is the polar opposite - there's a palpable increase in Trekiness.

 

[Commishsleer]

So that article is basically saying that the non-stop action and the reduction in "Trekkiness" (I haven't seen the movie, so this is hearsay) is because of the studio listening to audience gripes about Trek in global market polls and wanting TDK numbers for this movie?

Yes. They want to make a movie that people will actually like and will justify them spending $10.00 on a ticket, unlike the old guard.

Only $10? Geez, I think pensioners here have to pay more than that.

I paid $26.50 for each adult and $23.50 for each child (X3) for IMAX 3D

 

[Therin of Andor]

I loved the magic glass in the brig! The resizable/repositionable hole was very cool.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hole_Idea

Have wanted one for five decades!

 

[Pauln6]

That's the new Starfleet, ladies and gentledudes. Cadets become Captains, and navigator ensigns become chief engineers.

Geordi became Chief Engineer in TNG without seeming to know anything about engineering (being sent down there or offering suggestions in Season 1). And not only that he was an expert from the get-go.
At least Ensign Chekov had problems there.

I don't disagree that Geordi's rank was an issue (he was a lieutenant and the assistant chiefs in season one had all been lt-commanders so we never saw one of those assistant chiefs again). However, there were references in season one to imply had engineering training, he was already a lt(jg) before being promoted, he was older, and there was never any express suggestion that he was positioned at the helm straight out of the Academy (in fact Memory Alpha confirms he was 12 years older than Chekov and the Enterprise was his second posting so if anything he'd spent a long time before getting promoted).

O'Brien's retconned rank was a blatant retcon but I'm glad they did - I get fed up only seeing senior officers and his history was all over the place (he'd been helmsman, engineer, tactical, and transporters) but he was on a non-Federation vessel with non-federation personnel and was vastly experienced. He would not have become a chief engineer on a starship but could get away with it on a small ship with few officers like the Defiant.

 

[Xavier_Storma]

So that article is basically saying that the non-stop action and the reduction in "Trekkiness" (I haven't seen the movie, so this is hearsay) is because of the studio listening to audience gripes about Trek in global market polls and wanting TDK numbers for this movie?

Yes. They want to make a movie that people will actually like and will justify them spending $10.00 on a ticket, unlike the old guard.

LOL. Syfy is showing Generations now, then Insurrection, then Nemesis.

I am just sitting here, shaking my head at Syfy. Some programmer in there must, MUST have a seriously twisted sense of humor. If ever there were a bigger chasm between what was needed and what we got during those TNG-era-movie years... this was pretty much it.

Sorry, but I have to disagree here. The four TNG films WERE as much TNG as the series, and I could not think of better or other adventures for Picard's crew. Why the bashing... it is so 90ies. Move on already.

 

[Commishsleer]

However, there were references in season one to imply had engineering training, he was already a lt(jg) before being promoted, he was older, and there was never any express suggestion that he was positioned at the helm straight out of the Academy

This is one of my pet peeves with TNG - Geordi's sudden rise to Engineering genius. Considering the dolts TNG had in engineering in Season 1, I had no problem with Picard transferring someone anyone to engineering. But why didn't Geordi help with the problems they had in Season 1, why didn't he take over?

I thought Geordi quite clever and capable in Season 1 but they might as well as made him a doctor to replace Beverley in Season 2 as for all the engineering prowess that I saw. Although I'm happy to be proved wrong.

Instead suddenly he was there in season 2, technoblabbing all over the place like he knew everything but kept it to himself in Season 1. Instead Wesley had to save the day again and again.

My TNG friend says forget Season 1 ever occurred and you'll be better off. I wish I could see in Season 1 where Geordi was even interested in Engineering. Then I'd like TNG better